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Man do I love the Internet ….. there is a Forum for just about anything and everything !! 
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I stumbled on to E-Cigs after looking to buy some cheap gadgets from DealExtreme ….. as I smoke about a pack a day, I’m intrigued to say the least !!
I really think this product could change the entire tobacco industry ….. but only if it is properly developed, presented and priced !!
Right now it seems to be a total mess …..
The "genuine" products are way overpriced ….. not only does this put off new buyers, it will (has!) created a huge counterfeit market selling cheap imitations ….. which is extremely bad marketing for the concept as a whole, as most people being unimpressed buy the "fake" product will not bother trying it again, plus it creates a distinctly bad image and people will discourage anybody else who is considering or even actively using E-Cigs …..
In truth, these are small, simple and mass produced devices which are being made in China ….. they cost no more than $5-10 each to make, even for the best quality variety ….. the manufacturers and more importantly the retailers seem to be pricing according to typical annual cigarette costs by regular smokers ….. instead of looking to create a huge global market where they can sell in volume to make their profits ….. if they could put them out at say $20 for a starter set, it would sell like hot cakes ….. and there will naturally be a steady and growing revenue stream for the cartridges etc …..
Also, I think they have launched the concept prematurely, without "perfecting" the design ….. although typical business models do the same with any kind of new product/technology, with this market, image and reputation is key to success ….. if the average smoker has been disappointed with his first purchases, it’s very unlikely he will try again to see how much the latest version has improved ….. E-Cigs have to build the reputation of being just as good as the real thing …..
I sincerely hope the manufacturers bring out an "ultimate" version in the very near future ….. an E-Cig that is exactly the same size as a real cigarette and gives the same smoking experience, offering a true alternative as opposed to just a bad compromise ….. this is well within present technical possibility ….. and would bring E-Cigs to the "mainstream" instead of leaving it to a tiny percentage of enthusiasts !!
E-Cig manufacturers need to create a much better product and target Pharmacies to be the main distributors for a full scale launch, so creating a trusted "healthy" image ….. then progressing to Bars and Nightclubs to add the "coolness" factor ….. eventually being sold in every Supermarket just like normal cigarettes ….. the last thing they should be doing is allowing/using Ebay and obscure Internet sites !!
There is so much potential money to be made from this concept ….. it amazes me how it seems to be handled in such an amateur manner ….. if Apple had designed this and launched it as the "iCig" it would be setting the world on fire !!
There is a real chance that this device could bring forth a revolution over the coming years and make smoking a far less criticised and unhealthy habit !! It could potentially save many lives and destroy the dangerously powerful influence tobacco companies have on Society and Politics and particularly their efforts to create a market in the Third World.
I’m hoping there will be a day when I see a movie with James Bond smoking an E-Cig !! :mrgreen:|||I have no doubt that the e-cig is the future of smoking. In time the product will evolve, becoming better and cheaper. The only things I see standing in the way are:
- There is deep hatred for smoking in the general public. It will take time for haters to accept that this is different.
- Tobacco companies and retailers (cigarette stores, liquor stores, etc) stand to lose a lot of money because people who switch to e-cigs will indeed spend less money than they did on real cigs, especially as e-cig products become cheaper.
Despite those obstacles, I think e-smoking, which is CLEAN smoking, will definitely overcome and be huge. I’m sure the big tobacco companies have been looking into developing their own e-cigs, they could do it very easily. They won’t spring such a product on the market though until too much e-cig competition is eating away at their real cig sales. Then they’ll spring it.
I got my first e-cig four days ago (Njoy) and immediately cut my real cig consumption from 6 per day to 2. I feel better, can breathe more deeply, and my skin has more color. I am totally sold on e-smoking. If the FDA banned it it would be a CRIME. But I don’t think they will. The benefits to society are too great, and I don’t think smoking an e-cig is any worse than drinking a cup of coffee, and our society loves coffee.|||Perfectionist I agree with you on one or two of your points
1. It would be nice to see the Electronic Cigarette Mainstream
2. They should stop the selling on ebay (I聮ll say why shortly)
I think I run one of those 聯obscure Internet sites聰 you refer to. I realise a forum is about opinion and I respect yours. Unfortunately it is obvious you do not have the first idea about marketing a product like the electronic cigarette in a nanny state like ours.
We import our electronic cigarettes from China and we are the only company in the UK who have been inspected by the MHRA and Trading standards at extra expense and time from us. We have agreement from both that we are allowed to sell our product in the UK. Technically that should mean we are the only company in the UK selling the electronic cigarette legally.
I agree that they should not be sold on ebay as all the sellers sell under user names and if things get a bit rocky for them they can just disappear, and that聮s just one of the many negatives to buying from ebay. Most selling electronic cigarettes on ebay are working on very small margins which is what you are after isn聮t it/ Then again cheap comes with a price normally, disappointment.
I do believe one day you may get your way after all the small companies who have put up with scraping a living and worked hard to get the electronic cigarette well and truly accepted in the UK will then be kicked to the gutter, the big boys will take over and when that day comes 1 single atomising cartridge will be the same price as 20 cigarettes. Then hopefully you will be happy.
Perhaps the Following story may ring a bell.
Once upon a time everywhere on the Island when the local folk woke in the morning you found a least one bottle of milk on your doorstep. Rich, poor, old and young, summertime, wintertime and even on a Sunday that milk was there. Then one day a Dragon came from over the seas. That dragon was known in legend as the Wall Mart the Unmerciful his fore father being Tesco the Tyrant.
The dragon was very big and very hungry and he fed on the local folks money. The dragon looked around for a while and thought how will I lure all these wallets and purses into my cave. A light then came on in the dragons brain he thought 聯If I loose money on something they need most I can get them into my cave then charge and attack their wallets and purses and devour the lot. This will make up for my losses and help me produce more dragons we can conquer this Island.
The dragon saw the milk on the doorsteps and decided this was the product they need to sell cheap, and so they did. The local folk were told of a magic cave where milk was as cheap as water but they would have to fetch it themselves. This sounded reasonable to the local folk. So they got on their horses and in their carriages and drove for miles to save a little of their hard earned shekels only to find once in the cave the dragon consumed the rest of there shekels within minuets.
Because of the dragons greed milk could no longer be found on the doorsteps in the morning as the milk fairy had starved to death along with any local place to get milk.
Now the dragon had total power he decided now was the time to charge even more than the milk fairy ever charged for milk plus because he was so powerful he didn聮t even have to pay the cow the price his goods were worth either. Win, Win the dragon thought and the dragon went on just getting bigger and stronger.
This morning one of the local folk got out of bed with banging headache after a heavy night on some cheap artificial cider potion he had purchased from the dragon. Just as he was heading for the doorstep he remembered that the milk fairy had perished. What was he to do? Banging headache no milk to ease it nowhere to buy it local and he can聮t take his carriage because the potion he had consumed the previous evening still rendered him over the limit.
Remember this is the utopia you wanted.|||Perfectionist: I agree with almost everything you said. I even like the Apple iCig analogy. The present anyone-can-sell-anything gambit is a disaster of failed products and poor marketing.
And, funny but true, Ruyan is owned by Golden Dragon.
Considering your last line, I have to ressurect something I wrote when the forum was really new. You ought to like it:
"I, too, hope e-smoking is accepted by both smokers and governments. I’m not sure where to place my bets on either, however. I’m more fearful that governments will snuff this out as a delivery system for an addictive substance than I am that smokers wanting off their unhealthy habit/addiction will reject it. I know I need all the help I can get to stay off cigarettes.
So as I puff my e-pipe on a rainy afternoon, I wonder:
1. Would James Bond pull out an e-ciggie while lying in bed with Pussy Galore? Would he offer her a vape?
2. Would Winston Churchill say, "Damn the torpedoes, I need a good e-cigar?"
3. Would Albert Einstein switch to an e-pipe on the chance that he might live long enough to develop a Theory of Irrelativity?
I hear you. We live in a different time. What once was glamorous is now disgusting. The pastime of nobility has degenerated to the point where the highest percentage of smokers is in the lowest income and educated groups. Smokers are the new pond scum. We who became addicted decades ago are confronted publicly by hand-waving fanatics convinced smokers kill babies. It’s nasty out there in the real, cold world for the addicted smoker.
Sad. Will the last smoker please blow out the match?||| ||| |||Perfectionist I am now sure you and I although living in the same country don聮t live in the same world 300% profit I should be so lucky.
Unlike a bricks a mortar shop you cannot just open a website site and expect people to come. There are millions of websites our there competing for sales and the only way to get sales on the web is to pay astronomical fees for adverting just to get people to visit your site, and then that doesn聮t guarantee sales.
I know of some brick and mortar shops selling electronic cigarettes and far more expensive than my website you obviously haven聮t checked my price.
When you run a web site you cannot hide from anybody, since selling electronic cigarettes I have been investigated by the MHRA and Trading standards. After having to make modifications to the end product at extra expense and time to my company they have both agreed to let me sell electronic cigarettes in the UK and Europe. No other electronic cigarette importer manufacturer or reseller has had as yet had authorisation from any government body as far as I know my company is the only one.
Finally Ebay sellers pay a small fee to advertise and larger fee only if they make a sale, and as I said before if things get a bit hot for them they can just vanish, we can聮t.||| |||Well Perfectionist you seem to think you know it all and you say you can get starter kits for 拢10 including postage from China (you must let us all know where from). Good look in your endeavour let me know when your website is ready so I can let the MHRA and Trading standards know you are interested in a visit. Until you follow their guidelines you would be technically selling Electronic Cigarettes illegally in this country.||| The more time that passes since Perfectionist made the first post in this thread, the more accurate and prophetic his words become. He was dead on. Read it again.
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