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my curiosity got the better of me.. i might have wasted 61 dollars with shipping but there is only one way to find out.. !!

trog|||did you ask them if they were available to order yet trog? last time i asked they said "no, will be another week"||| ||| This new type of the atomizer is combined with the cartridge, so that when you buy a cartridge and you will get one atomizer at the same time, and you will change the atomizer whenver you change the cartridge. The quality of the cartridge and the atomizer are much better than any other products and you will never worry about the atomizer any more.

I like the idea where the atomizer is combined with the cartridge.

I have place order for the New MiniCig from e-cig.com and they acknowledge payment was received on 14 Sept.

Till now they have not send our the shipping details yet.

This is my second order from them. First order was alright. They send me the EMS tracking number after they receive the payment.

Send them email 3 times but no reply from them at all.

Maybe as dc2k08 mention, they are not available for sale yet.

trog, did you order the same model?|||yes gimyam i did order the same model..

"Message:
thanks for your payment. your order has been processed and we will ship to you this order within 3-5 business days."

i think they put them up on site a couple of weeks before they had any.. they normally send out three messages.. one for receipt of payment.. one the same as above and another when they ship the goods..

its pretty normal for them not to answer emails.. but the rest of their automated system seems to work well.. anything thats requires a human response like email is pretty poor.. i think they have a language problem to be honest..

trog|||Trog- do you get the airmail shipping or service shipping like UPS when you order? When you get it can ya snap some good photos? Very curious if it will fit the loongtotem or not.|||This has got to be made by LoongTotem, Naz. Even the script on the cartridges is identical. And since we know LoongTotem already supplies some material to E-Cig …

You see replacement batteries at $12.95? The carts are $1.50 each, but they say each is half a pack. So this isn’t all that cheap. But I just bet you’ll figure a way to refill.

Looking forward to your comments, Trog. Use cheap and toss: The new mantra!|||I wouldn’t mind htose prices IF the hsipping isn’t as outrageous as loongtotem’s- as well, On ebay- there was a cigg that claiemd atomizer in cartridge, (the advertising was very confusing) and looking at the cartridges, they looked identical to loongtotem’s & even had the same writing on the carts- but when I asked if they were like loongtotem’s the seller said no & that the atomizer wasn’t in the carts- Probably they are the same, but after checkign into that ebay product, it’s got me a little reserved abotu hte ecigg one- and if ya scroll down on the cartridgs page on ecigg to the bottom, you’ll see it states ‘buy a certain amount and receive another atomizer’ so that’s got me a little confused abotu whether it’s a loong or or not too

I’m getting several days out of a cartridge now (3-5) by refilling with only 2-3 drops instead of the 5 or more that I was doing in the beginning, and eventually they just clogg up and are really hard to draw, but I’m gettign more than a day now so I’m satisfied- IF ecigg’s carts are the same as loongtotem- then they are certainly oging to last more than a 1/2 pack- Refilling them isn’t a big deal, and infact is quicker and less messy than refillign our penstyles- I only refill abotu 3 times a day- no big deal- I don’t consider these true throwaways at this price- Now, IF the cartridges were .25 cents apiece, then sure- don’t even bother with refilling- but no product is going to sell at that price for combo cart/atomizer, and even still, if they were .25 I’d still refill just because I liek the flavors of refill juices. If I’m going off somewhere for a coupel of hours, I just refill before I leave, take two batteries with me and I’m good till I get home- If I brought a penstyle out with me, I’d have to refill a couple of times while out.

At any rate- the batteries are much cheaper at ecigg- just hoping htey fit the loong- just wish the shipping from ecig was more consistently reliable- seems ot be a lot of horror stories from members here who waited ages-|||i have never had shipping problems with e-cig.. not once.. their express EMS costs around twenty dollars.. i have spent a fair bit of money with e-cig..

the new one does seem to be like the loong totem.. atomizer in the cart..

with EMS shipping one new mini kit will cost me around the same as a generic bought in the UK.. its best to order as much as possible in one go this cuts the shipping costs down..

normally i would order a bunch of carts to go with the kit plus some spare parts..

this time i am just going for the kit.. its for two reasons.. my curiosity needs satisfying and i want to see if the atomizers are any good and can be used with the coming screwdriver.. i dont care about batteries.. but i do need the little brass ends if i want to fit a screwdriver with em..

i just checked my e-cig account.. 14 orders in total and not the slightest shipping problem with any of them.. i never go for the cheap pigeon post option thow with e-cig..

i do use the dealextreme free post option.. its better than express and over 45 orders not a problem..

trog||| i get mine from where your bling came from.. my last order was for ten atomizers and ten batteries.. my days od buying bloody battereis should be over now thow.. the batteries did work our more expensive than the atomizers cos they wear out in pairs.. .. i recon about 4 quid each for an atomizer when u buy a few together..

trog

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Hi folks,
I recently discovered that I was having limited success with refilling cartridges more than twice so I ordered a large quantity online. Two days ago I ran out of new carts to fill and decided to give the "dripping" technique a try (this involves removing the cart from the mouth piece and placing several drops directly on the atomizer). WOW! It provided me with a significant "hit" along with a billowing cloud of vapor -far stronger than what I was getting from using cartridges. I thought great, this is a fantastic way to e-smoke. Last night again I started "dripping" and things started out well. I then took one drag that felt particularily warm . After exhaling I immediatly felt a heavy, uncomfortable feeling in my lungs which stayed with me for several hours. I stopped using my e-cig for some time and went back to using a cartridge for the evening. This experience scared me a bit, as you can imagine. I startd to try and figure out just what happened. I read on the ecig.com site that atomizers reach a temperature of between 300-500 degrees celcius (thats HOT). And elsewhere I’ve read that cigarette smoke is typically 50 degrees celcius when inhaled. This is just a guess on my part, but I think when your "dripping" you not only get a stronger hit because your applying several drops directly onto the atomizer but those drops are super heated because the atomizer is no longer in contact with the damp cartridge which helps to regulate its temperature. I think it’s also possible that the lack of a cartridge when "dripping" permits the super heated vapor an easier undiluted path into the lungs. There may be other reasons why I got this reaction and I’ll keep you posted. My intent isn’t to scare anyone, just relay my experience, and word of caution.

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I’ve looked and looked at a huge number of website and products over the last wee while and it seems to me that all the products listed by nearly all the companies I’ve looked at are all from the same design and factory but with different branding on it, n joy looks like sedansa, which looks like e-cig which looks like ruyan which looks like loongtotem and so on.

So is there something I’m missing here ?|||There are several manufacturers making e-cigarettes. The pen-style are the most popular but vary greatly in quality, despite looking identical in web-photos. Read some of the posts in the reviews section, the difference between products is quite marked.

SJ|||Thanks SJ

I have been reading through the reviews on here and have become even more confused than I was before.

I live in New Zealand, currently it is currently illegal to sell locally cartridges containing nicotine, but I can import then for personal use. I purchased from a local supplier an e-cigarette, I have absolutely no idea who made it, the seller wont say where it came from and they can only sell non nicotine cartridges … it looks like a ruyan super e-cigarette, but it also looks like a gamucci micro electronic cigarette, and any number of other products. Not being able to get nicotine cartridges for this unit means I’m probably going to put it away in the drawer and forget about it … money wasted !

I have ordered and am just waiting to arrive an e-cigarillo from e-cig, together with their combination pack of flavours, the cost of the unit plus the 30 cartridges shipped from China to my door is less than I paid for my whatever it is and 5 lousy non nicotine cartridges from http://www.healthycigarette.co.nz/ !!

If the e-cigarillo works out as I hope it will I’m intending to buy the e-cigarette and an e-pipe from e-cig. Their prices are what attracted me to their products, I just hope it’s not going to be a case of you get what you pay for !

BTW I’m not hugely impressed with the unit I have now, the volume of "smoke" produced is no where even close to what I’ve seen in some of the videos around, plus after a few puffs there is virtually no vapour at all. Battery life is far to short, maybe an hour or two at the most, not enough to finish the contents of a cartridge and then it’s a 4-5 hour wait until the bloody thing recharges.

I’m certainly hoping for better results from the e-cigarillo from e-cig when it arrives.|||i have just tried severl e-cig products.. their minis simply are poor design and dont produce much smoke..

the cigarillos work reasonably well with plenty of smoke but so far dont last long..

i have also just found out the little AAA sized batteries die at an alarming rate of knots.. not simply run down but die for real.. when new they are okay.. four or five hours between charges.. this dosnt last very long.. he he

i have six e-cig e pipes three people using them at the monment.. they produced lots of smoke (when dripped) look nicely made one has lasted two week of heavy use so far.. two have lasted a week so far.. still going nicely

one has failed after about a weeks use.. i like them but so far am not sure how long they will last.. the much larger batteries seem okay..

the common forum comment says its down to buying (cheap) from e-cig.. but so far the evidence that paying more gets better results is lacking.. i have no problem with how the cigarillos and pipes from e-cig work.. simply how long they last before ceasing to work..

at the price i would happily order ten cigarillo atomizer spares from china at a time.. but eight dead battery in three weeks and the first four atomizers all dead after two weeks isnt good enough.. as for the pipes.. i love em but again it comes down to how long the atomizers last.. we have six.. another couple of weeks use should give some idea of how long they last..

a month on average and i would be happy.. two weeks is pushing it and makes them a bit expensive..

to be honest i am trying to find out the (average) design life of an atomizer.. cheap or expensive.. and as u say.. one big chinese factory and lots of brand names and prices.. plenty of evidence to show the ones that produce smoke (mostly) but little to show how long they last..

"how many puffs per atomizer"

trog|||… and if they don’t last long, we have the "customer service" consideration — making good on guarantees or implied promises that something is worth what we spend on it. I’ve been around this bush, and won’t get exercised again, but from my own experience, my advice is to value your money and don’t spend it at E-Cig. They have ZERO customer service skills. Just READ the many posts on this forum and you’ll understand. Read E-Cig’s own forum and you’ll understand. Do not fall for cheaper is cheaper. In the long run, it rarely is. Be a smart buyer. Do your homework on this.|||Thanks trog and SJ for your comments.

So it does seem like e-cig is not the place to buy from, OK so being completely new to this any advice, help and assistance would be much appreciated from the more experienced heads here.

I’m looking for something to carry around, preferably in a case, for day time use, so a pen style or mini style is the obvious choice to fill that role. I’m also after something I can use at home in the evenings that satisfies, so a cigar size or a pipe fills that side of my desire. Now the big question … whose to buy and what to buy … any suggestions ?

What about ongoing … refill cartridges myself or buy ready to use, either option is fine by me although I think refilling may work out more cost effective in the long run.

I should point out the cigarettes here in NZ have pretty much priced themselves out of the question, a pack of 20 is now NZD$10.90 that’s about USD$8.20 and 25’s are NZD$13.50, USD$10.20 a pack a day is an expensive habit ! And I cannot stand RYO’s

I’m hoping to if not completely remove tobacco products from my day at least dramatically reduce my comsumption of the filthy things.||| |||Thanks trog,

You are right I feel … paying top dollar for a unit that may or may not last as long as a cheaper unit is definately false economy. It’s for that reason I’ll not be buying from ruyan, sure they invented the the e-smoking system but their prices are way above those of other suppliers and what I’m reading tends to indicate their reliability is no better than anyone else’s products.

I’m unclear about the meaning of the terms DSE901, DSE103, DSE102. Sure I know they are model numbers for atomizers, but what that means beyond that is unclear to me … anyone able to enlighten me ?

Question … given that I see those model numbers quoted by any number of manufacturers, is the e-smoking manfacturing process the same as other industries ? That is several companies produce the end product, but do so using components made by the same or a small basket of companies … So, is there perhaps only 1 or perhaps 2 manufacturers of atomizers that supply to all the other companies … The same for all the other components ? That would account for my original post … that no matter what the name on the packaging says, basically the products inside are indentical with only relatively minor cosmetic differences. For example the LCD computer monitor market, there are dozens of different brands on the market now, but the LCD screen and central core components are all made in about 5 factories with relatively small peripheral alterations to take into account differing assembly processes and end usage. This would account for the commonality of complaints about failure rates across all product brands.

I remember reading in another post somewhere someone talking about the overall standard of products made in China … generally very good but let down by using one cheap low rate component, I believe the comment was "good tools let down by the use of a cheesecake screw" My experience with Chinese products is pretty much the same. China is a relative new comer in the design and manufacture process but are learning rapidly from their shortcomings. It may have been in the same post a mention made of a comparison with product, made in Japan, previously crap but now world leading, and a hope that Japanese interests with pick up on the e-smoking market and then we will begin to see development of top quality e-smoking products. I can’t wait !

Looking at current e-smoking products out of China it is very apparent that most if not all of the current range of products are made to a price/quality design. The battery is a classic example of this, every forum holds negative comments of battery life and high failure rates, around 300Mah and high failure rate is pathetic and is really unacceptable. Li-ion reliable long life batteries are readily available in a huge variety of sizes and in capacities 2-3 times greater than is found in e-smoking products available now. But, they will have a price point several times higher than the short life, low capacity used now … The cheesecake screw ?

Plenty of other posters and also I have made the comment that all e-smoking products should be more modular in design, the pipe is a good example of this … What a total waste to have to throw the whole bowl assembly in the bin when the atomizer, vacuum switch or other widget fails rendering the thing useless, I can’t for the life of me see the rationale behind that thinking, same thing applies to cigar shapes, throw your whole pretty tube in the trash can and start again with a new one, ridiculous ! The internal should be removable/replaceable as some e-cigarette designs are now. The battery for e-cigs is another silly design … Why isn’t the end cap removable, like cigars, so the battery can be changed without the need for a whole new tube assembly. All I can put it down down is current Chinese design thought processes.

Well that’s me for today … I’ll be interested to hear what others have to say on all this too|||its either a cheescake screw or a crap switch.. i think the guys that do the copying and spec out the main components do a good job.. the guys that make em do.. some other guy gets the job of ordering the screws and peripheral things like switches and does a lousy job its just as if they dont give much thought to anything other than the main components.. a logistics problem i think.. which is why they hold back with making cars.. far too great a probability for the odd duff screw or cheap switch..

i actually dont mind cheap chinese tools because i have the knowledge to replace the crap switch or odd iffy screw.. but the logic of it does defy me at times..

the e pipe.. i think its just a copy of the original ruyan 350 dollar one.. made for occasional use and not made to throw away.. ruyan charge enough up front to stand sending the odd cheap replacement out when it goes wrong as it inevitably will.. they also make lots of money on the locked in use of their carts.. use their overpriced carts or no guarantee..

even cheap e-cig offer a three year gaurantee.. if one buys ten packets of their carts.. kinda like saying we will give out free atomizers for three years if u keep buying our consumables.. the problem with e-cig is communication.. they dont answer there bloody "contact us" email.. he he

trog|||SJ,

you should make me a mod so i can stamp out the Loongtotem spamming that seems to be happening all over the board.

Just a thought.

-Dusty-

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Soooo ….

Looking to see if this makes sense to anyone else, or just me

Seeing all the issues with Batteries, Carts, and Atomizers I started to rack my brain last week and figure out how there may be a way to improve the smoking experience.

These are the "CON’S" of our Current E-Smoking experience and what I will be trying to address/fix … From what I have seen on the forums at least…
1. Lack of smoke/vapor
2. Atomizers Dying
3. Batteries Dying/Charge not lasting more then a few minutes/hours
4. Carts not lasting
5. Not knowing when you have had your fix, and continuing to smoke. (IE: Taking in more nic then you would normally with reg. cigs)
6. God know what you are smoking from the Cart itself. Polyester, etc… ?

These are the 6 problems I will try and address below, and see if I may be on the right track to something.

It seems like the most successful way to e-smoke is through Dripping. By adding a single drop or two to the atomizer itself or adding several drops of e-liquid to the cart. Carts don’t last per Manufacturer Specs and some experience a "burning taste", not to mention, going through several carts a day seemingly can cost quite a bit.

Now, imagine if you take the cart completely out of the picture, and just drip.

In ideal world, this is what I would like to see.
An E-Cig that has a chamber/cartridge completely filled with E-Liquid. When time to smoke the e-cig, you press a button (much like the Manual Jenty Switch) and it drips a single drop of e-liquid on the atomizer. You then take 10-15 puffs (equivalent to a single cig) and you’re done. Battery shuts off, and is only on the for the time you smoked, thus saving battery life.
So, you would have, not only a longer battery life, but a CRAZY amount of smoke. You would also just refill a single cartridge/chamber when the liquid ran dry. You will also know once you have had the equilvalent of a single cigarette because there would be nothin else to smoke, and it would be consistent across the board. You could set up this type of e-cig to have a timer per say for how long the battery stays on after activating per the switch. Maybe 7-8 minutes.

Now, How hard would it be to make a chamber/cartridge with a valve, that opens/closes at the press of a button and drips on the atomizer itself?

Atomizers are really anyones guess. Some seem to last a day, while others last a couple weeks. If something like what I have stated above starts to work, then only atomizers would need replacing. If a generic atomizer could be made and bought in bulk, I still feel the price of the e-liquid atomizer would be cheaper then reg. cigs. Then, you take the materials from the Carts (Polyster) out of the picture, and are now just dealing with a liquid itself.

You guys follow what I am trying to say? Ideas? Comments Welcome!

Thanks |||Actually I like that concept.

I think it’s going to be a combination of a lot of concepts from THIS VERY FORUM that’s going to be the brain-child of the perfect e-cig and liquid. (Of course, T-Bob is going to invent the perfect liquid.) |||I like the above suggestions. I also kinda like the "disposable" concept. Buy them ready to go. Smoke them then till they’re empty and then toss them. However, Instead of tossing them in the trash I think they should be returnable for a refund to cut down on the pollution. Kinda like how in the 70’s you could buy Coke in returnable bottles. That way we don’t have to worry about recharging batteries and liquid. The average "e-cigarette" could maybe be equivalent to 5 packs and maybe we could buy a "carton" of 5 of them plus a small amount deposit. After they’re done we could return them for a refund on our deposit. The company making them could take the "empties" and recharge them. Making the deposit a decent price would discourage littering.||| |||I’m a believer that the masses will only take to this when it’s as easy as buying and consuming cigarettes. That means the atomizer/cartridge will be a disposable combination. And I do mean disposable, because I think deposits ended due to the costs of all those exchanges. These must be use-and-toss devices.

The present situation is similar to roll-your-own. A few will; most won’t.

Some big advantages of disposables will be — should be — elimination of the problems plaguing us now. No more atomizer failures, liquid in mouth, burned tastes, slick fingers, dangerous liquids lying around. But the cost has to be attractive enough to make a smoker want to do this. Most smokers you see on the TV tests now are disdainful of e-smoking. It certainly doesn’t replicate the pleasure a cigarette gives. Addicted cigarette smokers won’t give up cigarettes until prices and societal pressure force them to.

Then e-smoking has a chance, if it’s appealing in all ways. There’s a long way to go before that’s a reality.|||all these ideas and many more have been discussed already,and i hope the manufacturers have been listening!the nearest thing we have is the G300,which will be out in a few weeks.it has disposable combination atomiser/cartridge-a step in the right direction,but alas,its cartridge life is too short,and not cost effective apparently-and it still uses a core to deliver liquid.i think an injection system is a little way off yet.personally i want something i can slot in and throw away again without messing around refilling with liquid-if its going to gain mass appeal,e-smoking must become very convenient,and that means truly disposable…and i want to control my own smoking,not have the device control it for me-all that switch off after a cigarettes worth or a certain time isnt very important really.in fact it would be downright annoying.what we need are convenient,disposable,dependable and affordable e-cigs.maybe itll happen someday ||| |||Guess I will have to be the ‘contra’ here…
- I do not like disposable, the world has too much of that allready. People need to learn that lesson… at most some small part of it, IF it is fully re-usable… sorry TB, we are going to have a lasting disagreement on this
- I would only like the dripping, if it would take over the role of the cartridge. Cartridge is something you can keep smoking from, dripping is not.
- Which brings me to the next ‘contra-indication’ (all for me, let that be clear ): I don’t w谩nt to stop after the equivalent of one cig. So one cig used to last 15 puffs… and? Does that mean I have to keep that habit going even when I am clearly n贸t smoking a tobacco-cig? What is important, th谩t I agree on, is how much nicotine you get into your system. That should certainly not be more, and hopefully will be less and become even more less over time, then when you smoked. But… I think it’s rather strange that people keep wanting to do this by taking 15 puffs (and th茅n what? ‘light’ up the next one? One really BIG advantage of e-cigs is: you take exactly as many sips as you want to take… be it 2 or 67… and then you can put it aside without any problems, without having to carry an awful smelling stub to re-light later, without losing flavour or that last little butt, without having had a need to leave your desk - so you can go straight on again without losing time… NONE of these problems… so just why anyone would want to re-invent those old habits is really beyond me… )
You can very well look at how many milligrams you are taking (per day is a good measure) and compare that with your tobacco from old days… there is no need what-so-ever, for me- to ‘divide’ my liquid into ’seperate cigs’. I used 20 mg smoking before per day? Ok… then I can’t use more then 20 mg now… and th茅n I decide, looking at my own regular habits and what I like with the e-cig, how much mg nicotine my liquid needs to fill that in, across the day, in what茅ver way I wish to fill that in… that is one big advantage of e-smoking… let’s not throw that away… I like to sip for-ever. And I c谩n… all I need to do is take a lower mg liquid, and I can go on endlessly, and still have less mg at the end of the day… ||| |||i agree that theres too much disposable stuff,but unfortunately thats the modern world for you.almost everything is disposable right now for a reason-convenience is king,and the masses want it,im afraid.hopefully some kind of compromise can be reached to make it more environmentally friendly. Lots of good ideas here. I esp. agree with having both disposables and refillables, controlling our own nic levels, and not being so hung up on replicating duration of a cigarette.

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Hi,

I got another newbie question: Can you re- fill old carts with e liquid and make your own carts?
I have a pen type cig. confused sorry.

thank you|||From 1 newbie to another fellow newbie …

Here is how BanadaDoc explained it to me when I asked if Carts were refillable …

|||Yes, absolutely. It’s far more economical to do it this way. If the cartridge discolors from past use of liquid, just pull out the filler and wash it under running water. Put it back in. For my e-cigar and late e-pipe, I bought empty cores, which I then filled with liquid using a hypodermic needle. There seems to be no definable outer limit for resusing cartridges.|||Thanks guys! The "smoke" is clearing now and im getting a better understanding!|||I haven’t had any luck with refilling. If I put a couple drops in the filter, I get a couple puffs out of it. Not adequate. If I add more than that I get liquid in my mouth. I’ve tried this a half dozen times with several models of ecigs, nothing but failure. |||It sounds like you’re just dripping it onto the top of the cartridge. It works better if you use a syringe, and inject it into the bottom, filling it from the bottom up. But, failing that (and who wants to carry around a syringe, anyway?) you can just use a safety pin or paperclip to pull the wool out halfway or so, and drip it onto the sides, near the bottom end, until it’s wet, then push it halfway back, drip onto the sides again, then put it all the way back and drip a couple drops on top. Or (quicker, but doesn’t last as long) drop a couple drops on top, then use a pin or paperclip to push the wool to one side, then the other. This circulates the liquid through the wool a bit. Repeat this 2-3 times. In any case, be very careful none of it drips down the outside of the cartridge.|||It’s easier to use tweezers to take out the filling of a cartridge, you have a better grip.

Also after you put it back in, leave a little of the filling at the top and cut of the top fibers that stick out, then push it down till it’s level.
These burn easily, and you do not want that.

I learned that you do need to take out the fibers, just rinse it under warm water, while they are in the cartridge, shake it out real good, and then next morning you have a clean dry cartridge.|||the newer shorter mouthpieces dont keep the liquid out of the mouth as well as the older longer types of mouthpieces.. pretty obvious when u think about it..

having tried all ways i find simply wet dripping a used cart the best way with a cigarette .. but thats with older longer mouthpieces.. i like older and longer.. the farther away the outlet hole is from the wet stuff the better..

trog|||

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I found the best e-smoking experience is to drip straight on the atomizer not the cartridge now that’s "e-smoking"

Just wondering is there anyone else in camp who drips religiously and has ditched the cartridges alltogether |||Yep, I drip exclusively. I use a mini, and the cartridges are so damn small anyhow, and the liquid flow so slow, that I’ve found dripping to be easier. I do 2 or 3 drops on the atomizer. If it is too wet from this, I point the tip up to let the liquid flow away from the atomizer, and take a drag. Then, I smoke it horizontally. When it starts getting a little dry, I point it down.

It takes a little getting used to, but so do most things.||| |||I use the dripping method 98% of the time - but use a cartridge when I am driving.|||To all drippers out there: How long does your two or three drops of the fun stuff directly onto the atomizer last you?

I’ve recently gotten fed up with carts and their propensity to leave fibers in the atomizer, which end up getting heated and making my diet smoke smell and taste of burnt plastic. So I started dripping. At first, dripping 3 or 4 drops onto the atomizer lasted a surprisingly long time. Then, in an effort to completely rid my atomizer of the aforementioned plastic smell/taste, I ran it under warm water for a bit, and then blew through it until it was dry.

Now, 3 or 4 drops produces a nice amount of diet smoke, but not for nearly as long.

Any ideas?|||With my homemade smokin juice, I drip the atomizer AND I refill the cart at the same time, and I am getting more vapor than I can handle- I get really good vapor for abotu 1-2 hours, then I either re-drip the atomizer and fill cart, or just fill the cart- depending on if I think the vapor is diminishing some because hte atomizer seems a bit too dry or something. I wish I had a video camera to show the vapor- it’s a lot and it lasts a long time by dripping both the carts and the atomizer- I think the key to my vapor is that I’m using about 50% Glycerin, 50% PG for my main mix, which I then use about 80% of that PG/Glycerin mix to 20% of my cooked down tobacco juice- the only thing though is that this vapor does linger in the air a bit longer than normal prefilled Cart vapor does as it’s got more glycerin which produces a bit heavier type vapor. I do have to double-draw, as it seems this mix requires a little bit hotter atomizer for a good vapor cloud though, but no big deal for me- just gotta keep batteries fairly fresh for a bit easier draw.

Uncle- I had one do that on me too- I tried simmering it in water with a dab of baking soda, and that didn’t seem to help, and I thought the atomizer was kaput- then for the hay of it I soaked it in hydrogen peroxide, rinsed, blew the excess out from the top, and it started workign quite well again after I primed it with some glycerin drops- not saying htis will work for yours, but it might be worth a last ditch effort try if nothign else works for ya.||| ||| |||lol Kit- when I first read your comment, I thought it said "Cool method mate I think you’re cracked up" Which, if you had, I would have had to agree 100% lol

In the mornings (11:00 a.m- Yup, I get up at hte cracl of dawn lol) I put a prefilled cartridge in because I take the pen with me to the resturaunt every morning, and smoke it while waiting for my breakfast, and the prefilled Carts don’t have quite the smell that my homemade smokin juice does, and I’ll smoke the prefilled cart until it starts getting dry- usually around 3-4:00 p.m, then I’ll start refilling it. The vapor cloud I get with the refilling is quite a bit more dense than the prefilled cart produces, and it’s also a heavier hit/feel when inhaling too which I forgot to mention. The prefilled carts produce a lighter vapor and draw.

I’ll test it later tonight, but I think I’m getting about 1-2 hours smokin when I refill- Not sure why, but the refilling doesn’t last as long as the prefilled carts for some reason, but 1-2 hours is plenty for most road-trips if indeed that’s what I’m getting- As I mentioend, I’ll test it tonight to see just howl ong I get on a refill- this is all steady smoking too I smoke constantly with hte pen- much more than I do if I am smoking regular Ciggs- with regular ciggs, I go 1-2 hours between cigarettes, but with hte pen- I’m smoking steady- I guess it’s to get enough nicotine to keep my levels steady- but hte point is that when I say I tyhink I’m getting 1-2 hours on a refilled Cart, that includes the fact that it’s a steady 1-2 hours of smoking- if I were to smoke it like I do my regular ciggs, I’d probably get quite a bit longer time out of a refilled cart.|||Naz, I’m cross posting your recipe to the thread on home made liquid.

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Some of you will have tried cigar flavour juice. I聮m getting quite fed up with most of the liquid I聮ve had so far, they are mostly to sweet or don聮t tasted of anything really. So come on cigar aficionados don聮t be shy and let me know where the best juice can be found.|||well its not available as bottled juice…

but the ruyan cigar cartridges were the most cigar-like that ive tried…to my taste anyway,some might disagree…its got a strong taste in any case…

unfortunately they made me feel dodgy…and ive avoided cigar tastes ever since…|||i like flue cured gnu.. like darcy i would say the only stuff thats actually tastes like a cigar is the ruyan stuff.. u can buy ruyan carts from heavens gifts china and srynge them.. i have.. the liquid can then be used in anything.. it keeps the same taste..

the pipe carts called TAB from heavens gifts have a very rich "brown" taste.. they are full to the brim and make good economical syringing carts..

trog|||Have you tried anything form the UK sellers. What’s the shipping times and cost on the ruyan liquid like then? I see the price on the trog smog machine is going up and up, how many of them could you make trog?

I’m not that bothered if the juice really tastes that much like a real cigar darcy. I just thought that cigar flavour might be strong and taste something like tobacco and not to sweet. I’ll try not to make myself sick though. Thanks for the tip mate.|||Gnu, pm me your address and I’ll send you some Ruyan ecigar juice. I have some cartridges that I want to keep for refilling but I think the juice is yukky so I can syringe them and send you the bottle.|||My experience with BestEcig.com Marlboro flavored cartridges for their cigar product was very close to being like a real Marlboro- but one other person said it didn’t taste real close to a real Marlboro- My cigar was sent to me for a review, so it’s possible mine was juiced a bit more - but I was quite impressed- Not sure if their bottled Marlboro juice would be the same, but if so, it would be the juice I’d buy for a real cigarette-like taste- closest juice I’ve tasted yet. It left a taste in the mouth that was VERY Marlboro-like, and even made my regular Marlboro Cigarettes taste better after I’d smoke one after vaping the cigar|||i think the disposable ruyan is the closest i’ve found to a cigar taste.||| |||

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We don’t hear of many super minis being recommended on this forum, hardcore esmokers seem to think that anything smaller than a mini is mostly inadequate.

The smaller the ecig the sooner the cartridges and batteries run out. That, along with not very good vapour from most of them makes them a negative introduction to esmoking for potential converts.

A lot of people new to esmoking are attracted to the small size because they look more like they would replace cigarettes and they don’t realise that all ecigs are not the same.

Should we encourage suppliers to promote bigger ecigs to give customers a better experience? We don’t want potential quitters to be put off by bad products.

Am I talking out of my arse? I might have completely the wrong idea about super minis. What do you think about this?|||the only real problem is the extra small carts kate.. we have an entire range at our disposal for photo purposes.. i get to know how they work..

the generic super mini smokes just like a 901.. the batteries are similar.. the downside is the small carts..

they are fiddly to top up and dont last as long as the 901 which holds more liquid..

the other factor which never gets a mention is the carts are all sold at the same price irrespective of how much liquid they contain.. this obviously affects running costs.. the classic being the winner here..

there is noting wrong with how they smoke thow..

trog|||I don’t actually own a super-mini yet, though I suspect one day I might try one just for kicks. I have recommended to friends the pen style, or the mini if they wish something smaller. My reasoning is that I hope for a very positive experience for their first e-cig. Although the super-mini might be ok as a secondary/backup/situational e-cig, I SUSPECT it would not work for many as a primary device (though that is speculation, I don’t own one).

As to the super-mini, I take my cues from the forum and from the larger vendors. I can see that Janty nor Puresmoker offer a super-mini or accessories. I don’t recall if Njoy does or not. For me personally, I have a mini, but I use it more for demo purposes than routine use. But if a smoker is absolutly set on their e-cig looking like a real cigarette, then the super-mini would be the only option. Also, as proven within this forum, everyone’s needs/satisfaction/desires is a little unique with the different devices. That is what makes this forum invaluable for the e-smoker.

Of course, I’m just here for the chicks. |||superminis are not a main ecig for the heavy,dependent user…ok as an additional ecig for occasional use,or drysmoking…but as a main device-no way…too much refilling and recharging and messing about…the cartridges are tiny,and they should be cheaper than larger ones…

however,i wouldnt discourage suppliers from offering them for sale…therell always be people who want the small form…and the newer versions smoke well enough…

the thing is,people new to esmoking need to be aware of what theyre actually buying,and what its capabilities are…

lets face it,cigarette appearance seems important to beginners-but they soon realise the frustrations and limitations inherent in the smaller design…

the question is-would some people not even bother to try esmoking if all devices looked like the penstyle?i guess it depends on how much they want to quit really…and how concerned with appearance they are…

all we can do here is advise and make newbs aware,if theyre lucky enough to stumble upon this site…but shouldnt that primarily be a suppliers responsibility?

thats the problem i have with the glut of new bandwagon jumping suppliers popping up everywhere…including ebay-i mean take Futuresmoker for example,who claims 30 cigarettes from a 901 cartridge..well sorry mate,i know the 901 inside out,id bet a lot better than you,and thats a gross exaggeration in my experience…

and others selling superminis with all the more healthy aspects covered,but no mention of cartridge life…even pillboxs supermini on ebay is claimed to give the equivalent of 2 packs of cigarettes worth of drags-well thats just utter crap,and pillbox knows it-plus on his electronic cigarette store site he makes no mention of supermini cart life-i expect better from an otherwise good supplier like him-he needs to sort that kind of rubbish out….no wonder people are disappointed…its scandalous…

very few are truthful and honest-like smokester…some either dont have a clue,make exaggerated claims,or simply omit important information to increase sales…

i would encourage suppliers to offer truthful approximations of how long batteries will run and cartridges last for each model,and-heres an idea-also offer a recommendations for beginners section on their sites…

in short,for a good experience,superminis are the last form of ecig to try,not the first…
in my opinion,not a good introduction to esmoking…but thats not the superminis fault….its down to lack of knowledge on the part of consumers,due to lack of information from suppliers-and in some cases blatantly false information…

people need to know exactly what theyre getting…then they at least can make an informed decision…

i always encourage newbies to contact a reputable supplier,and get a good generic 901 or classic,depending on what they indicate they want most initially…smaller size or longer run time…

at least then theyve got something decent to base their next purchase on after they have had some experience,and actually know what they want from an ecig.|||Wouldn’t it be cool if the e-cig vendors had a big banner that said "Before Buying Anything please check out the e-cig forum at ….. Purchase Smart!"|||all good stuff darcy but.. when in rome one has to do what the romans do..

pillbox has to sell e cigs.. the mass market buyer is not well informed and in truth never will be.. soooo how can an honest seller sell his product whilst competing with a bunch of liars which in sense is what the best salemen are..

here i go again telling the truth and offending people.. its a bad habit i have..

basically darcy in a world of lies only a good liar survives..

inform a few that want to be informed.. leave the rest to their own devices.. is the best that can be done..

trog|||Just thought i would post my tip on the super mini again since their is some more new E-Smokers ….. Welcome newbeesssss lol …. Dont worry you will soon be oldbeesssss as their is so many people coming on board.

|||You’re making a bid for superstardom Rusty with that great Scots accent of yours. I noticed on another thread that someone accidently wrote ‘cats’ instead of ‘carts’, they’re following your example and smoking our furry friends

Darcy doesn’t write loads of posts on this forum but when he does they are usually spot on. I think he knows what he’s talking about.

The super mini ecig is a bit of a toy really and anyone seriously trying to swap from cigarettes is likely to find it inadequate. Maybe as a backup it would do but as a main or only device … forget it.|||Kate …. I think your right about a back up devise …. I use my 901 until its dead …. then i use my super mini …. I think …If im allowed to say this >>> The super mini is more suited to a light smoker who is trying to quit real cigs…. And the Mini is more suited to someone who still likes to smoke but withought all the other stuff !!!!! |||I also think that the mini might fit in with the office worker who still feels the need to go out side for a cig with his mates so he can stay with the in crowd …lol lol …. The result is >>> lol lol >>> You got an E-Smoker STANDING IN THE RAIN WITH HIS MATES ….. HAhahahahahahaif a super mini is used as it intended to be used and the carts cost less it would be a nice device..

dismissing it cos its hard for a minority of one to top up is wrong.. most people do just pop in carts..

i wouldnt give your bling house room kate.. i have one sat on my shelf it is simply a shelf ornament.. it got put on the shelf after a review and three days use.. i would far sooner smoke a super mini than a bling..

lets not be too quick to dismiss things as toys.. individual opinions on individual devices dont count for much..

i have seen the entire pillbox range in all colours in use.. they smoke nicely.. their only downside is the carts dont last long but that comes down to cost.. not function..

trogLol …Lol …. I can bow out of this argument because you both know me and seen me on video ….lol….lol.Nice avatar.

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Hi, firstly fantastic forum, I have gone from seeing one article on Gamuci last week to discovering a whole world of e-cigarettes/cartridges/e-liquid/dripping etc and so many different brands after finding this place.
Thank you all.

Now I have searched and read extensively however I have a couple of queries that I can’t find the answer to.

1. Based on the info here I have decided to go for the Janty Classic from http://www.ruyanxpress.com/
Can any of the EU and/or Schengen Country residents confirm whether our stuff is posted from the Netherlands or China?

2. What syringe size is needed/best to refill cartridges, 2ml/5ml? Also is a 23gauge blue needle adequate (I don’t know if the needle is small enough or how viscous the liquid is)?

3. UK residents only - Have those of you who have bought e-liquid from either http://www.euro-e-cigarette.eu/ or other DUTCH shops had any problems with UK customs and excise?

4.Has anyone successfully used any of the cartridges on http://www.euro-e-cigarette.eu/ with a Janty Classic? If so which ones?

OK, sorry and thanks. |||Hi Sarahjane,
I’m a relative newbie but I’ll tackle #2 partially cause I had similar questions re: needles, syringes and bottles. However didn’t find answers except for one from jimldk. Here’s an extract from jimldk "…just any bigger capacity syringe will do..just don’t buy the smaller capacity like 10ml or 5ml type for extracting purposes. if for refilling cartridges then you need either 3ml or 5ml version."

I took a chance and ordered 18 gauge needles. I also ordered the 20 ml syringes.
Couldn’t find a website here in US where I didn’t have to order in bulk.
I was also confronted with deciding which type of syringes and needles to order "Luer Lock" or "Luer Slip" - don’t know the answer.

Hope that helps some.||| |||i have been useing the 10 ml type syringes that come with printer ink refills..

the janty classic should take the pen type carts… the classic (original) type e cig is often called the pen type.. they are pretty standard.. the mini e-cig types can vary a bit more.. the mini with the DS901 number works quite well..

trog

ps.. i am an ex fifty a day skinny roll-up man.. i use about 2 ml of high liquid per day.. i top the carts up using liquid.. its way cheaper.. the need for the odd skinny roll-up soon disappears.. i still have the odd one but more cos i want to than need to.. i could not bother with any.. at first usage fifty a day instantly down to ten with no problem..

trog|||My order of syringes and needles are waiting downstairs with my doorman to pick up.

Re: the size of syringe: It sounds like you might really get into this. Therefore you might want to load up a bunch of cartridges at once requiring a larger syringe.

Now re: mixing the eliquids I haven’t begun yet. Just finished ordering supplies and waiting for all deliveries.
I’d address those questions to our reputable senior members who have been mixing and experimenting for a long time.
I hesitate to post their names less I leave some out. I haven’t yet read all the posts on the forum.||| |||also the little 8 ml dropper bottles the liquid comes in make perfect carry about cart top up devices..

trog|||Sarahjane, Maybe you don’t need syringes at all. I think the eliquid bottles come with droppers - but double check on this.||| |||hi sarahjane.ive bought liquid from europe,and theres no problems with customs.they just post it to you-right through the letterbox,no worries. A syringe is not needed - exactly. However, the dropper method is messy and inaccurate. There is a bit of waste with the dropper as it is easy to over fill. It OK for topping off a cart when you are out and about. A syringe is much easier for filling a number of carts at once. You will want to fill quite a few carts at once. Its a bit time consuming and inconvenient to fill them just a few at a time.

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The US web sites all state that a 5 pack of cartridges is equal to about 1 carton of cigarettes.
e-cig.com states that 1 cartridge is roughly equal to 6-7 cigarettes (allowing for the unusable portion of nico in the cartridge). But in another area of their site they say 1 cartridge is about 2 cigarettes.

Where does the truth lie?

Please indulge me if you dont mind.

Please state how many cigarettes you would normally smoke and how many cartridges you use in a day(and what type of device). Perhaps simple comparison of personal experience will give some indication of what to expect.|||In my experience, one cartridge equals about 5 to 6 cigarettes.|||there are different size carts.. the mini only holds half what the pen type does.. the cigar and cigarillo holds roughly the same as the pen type cigarette.. the pipe i think holds twice as much as the pen type cigarette..

e-cig probably under estimates the mini at 2 normal cigs but over estimates the pipe.. most of what the chinese say is to be taken with large pinch of salt.. they have a translation problem i think.. he he

most of the quotes are based on the original pen type cigarettes.. simple copy and paste seems the order of the day.. i am a heavy smoker.. two pen type carts would last me for a day.. four minis.. or one pipe.. he he he

2 ml per day would be enough for most "real" smokers.. for those with a good placebo factor one mini cart might last two days.. my placebo factor is poor..

trog|||Hmm.. How long would a Catridge od the e-cigarette from NJoy last? Because I don’t feel like refilling it twice or trice a day and I don’t really want to carry around some catridges whereever I go..||| ||| ||| |||Some users have purchased old metal cigarette cases and converted them to carry their e-cig stuff. Use some foam inside the case; cut two slots for pen style cigs; slots for an extra battery and some cartridges. Carry it in shirt pocket or purse. You’ll always have a spare battery and refilled cartridges.|||And if you are afraid of leaking, then maybe it would be a good idea to get yourself a cheap sealer. Take one cartridge, seal it in plastic, put it in your cigarette-case that way (I did rather ruin the looks of a new cigarette-case innerfoam by indeed having a leaking cartridge in there). This is the cheapest (working) sealer I have found: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9545 ($4.65, worldwide shipping included)||| That are some nice ideas - gotta have to try them out

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