Eclipse as a stepping stone?
I’m trying to make the transition from traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes, but unfortunately I keep finding myself wanting the real thing. One thing I started doing that really seems to help is to smoke e-cigs like I would a normal cig (go outside and the whole bit). Unfortunately, e-cigs just don’t deliver the same punch nor do they really act like traditional cigs. I’d actually prefer it if after ~15-20 puffs they’d just turn off for a minute so that I knew that my time was up.
My next plan of action is to buy a pack or two of Eclipse. I’ve used them before, and they certainly seem to be similar to e-cigs in my opinion. Though, like regular cigarettes, they go out after a fixed amount of time and deliver slightly more punch. I figure, after a few days with Eclipse, the transition might be easier. Anyone else try this path?|||I haven’t tried Eclipse. If you’re really planning just a few days for transition it doesn’t much matter one way or the other - you could use anything that doesn’t contain, let’s say, heroin or drain cleaner. 
If you are thinking of longer term Eclipse usage you might want to read Michael Siegel’s analysis. I generally trust him on tobacco issues.
For other options… Snus and prescription nicotine nasal spray give a good hit, if that’s your primary need. And they can be used longer term while esmoking. There’s more discussion of such things in the Other Alternatives to Smoking section.|||I have tried a friends Eclipse once and I think it will be an excellent transition, as they taste is pretty bad and the hit isn’t that good either. You will really enjoy the ecig after an eclipse if that is your last memory of a "real" cig. haha|||Not to mention the expense.|||Eclipse cigarettes are very interesting … taste … kind of like charcoal, and the smoke hit can be quite hot/steamy going down the back of the throat. the Nic hit is useless, but the smoke hit is definitely there. I smoked them exclusively for about 2-3 months back in the day. Expensive ……|||Eclipse?? Can someone enlighten me? 
||| |||Sounds utterly discusting!!|||I’ve been using nothing but Eclipse (a single pack so far) and e-cigs for three days now. I may have to buy another pack of Eclipse tomorrow.
The e-cigs are more and more appealing after using Eclipse and I feel like there’s some sort of comfort in having a pack of smokes available if I need it. At this point the only thing keeping me from smoking e-cigs exclusively is either psychological or the fact that e-cigs are somewhat hit or miss when it comes to vapor production… Mostly psychological I suppose
The Eclipse are sort of nasty to be sure. I’ve tried both menthol and regular in the past. Really, the only difference is menthol is slightly minty whereas regular is just like inhaling steam. I’m not sure which I dislike least.
Aside from taste, I think Eclipse are given more of a bad rap than they deserve. Certainly, quitting is the best option, but I can’t imagine Eclipse are worse than cigarettes, as some imply. If they are, then I’d really like to see the study. In my mind, Eclipse are somewhat like e-cigs in that they give you the nicotine hit and some flavor without as much of a risk. Sure, there may still be a risk, but the point is the risk is reduced. And even if the risk is 90% of a traditional cigarette, I think it’s worth marketing. I guess if RJ Reynolds sold e-cigs they’d get sued for causing dry throats.
In my case, however, I’m just using Eclipse so that moving completely to e-cigs is easier. So far I think it’s working
Regardless, I’d like to eventually move completely to e-cigs. Though I guess there are probably risks with e-cigs too 
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Members: Please List Your Anniversaries
Thought this might be an interesting and helpful database for the e-cigarette forum.
Document whatever Your Anniversary of Not Smoking is that you consider important, i.e., 1 day/week/month/year.|||July 17 2008 - 3 month Anniversary.
PS I bought and smoked a pack of regular cigs in less than 24 hrs on my 3 month Anniversary!|||Cigarette free since …. September 12, 2007
Had a few whisps of a cigar about 2 weeks ago that didn’t go over to well …||| ||| |||July 17, 2007, was my quit-cigarettes date.|||I got my first e-cig on April 2nd.
Gradualy I smoked real ciggy’s less and less.
Last week sunday, a week ago today I smoked my last cigarette.
That was a 9:00am.|||I’m pretty sure my quit smoking date was Tuesday 1st July, 2008 - It’s four weeks tomorrow - Whoo hoo!
|||March 17, 2008…….just over 4 months now.
Now if only I can conquer my chocolate addiction. 
|||June 10th for me…. almost 7 weeks! I’m sitting here with 7 packs of my wifes Pall Malls about 15 feet from me, and 2 cigs in her (get thee behind me Satan! LOL!) ashtray (about 18" away) that look like she only had one puff of each. Seems she’s determined to help me get used to being around cigarettes as a non-smoker LOL! My last analog cig was April 14th, 2008. Did try one regular cig about 6 weeks ago at a bar, it was terrible.In May/June I started the "quit smoking" adventure. I was smoking a pack a day of those little cigarette-sized Swisher Sweets. Bad, bad, bad. I tried Become-an-ex.org and they actually called me and sent me nicotine patches for free. I couldn’t figure out the computer diary though and was substituting food for smoking. Also, for some reason, I just couldn’t bring myself to stick one of the nicotine patches on my skin.
Sometime in June I came across the Njoy site and decided to order one. I got lucky with my first e-cig. It worked; for a while anyway. But Njoy back then took phone calls on the first try and sent you replacement parts, no questions asked, right away. They’re still pretty good as far as customer service goes; no complaints. I have had very few regular cigs since I got my first e-cig. Probably been 3 months since I had my last cigarette. I have discovered if you’re gonna be successful at this, you need more than one e-cig - at least two with a couple extra atomizers.
I now own one each of Njoy, ePuffer, MyEcig, and PureSmoker pen styles, and I just got my first PureSmoker mini. This e-cig thing has turned into quite a hobby, as I like to play with flavorings. Most of the time, I don’t even need any nicotine. I usually have some low nic e-liquid in one of my e-cigs though. My addiction wasn’t so nicotine-involved as it was the oral fixation thing. So I think that’s why I’ve been so successful. I use them like a pacifier. Congratulations to all of you for quitting/cutting down on regular cigarettes!
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Must Stop Watching Old B
Lately I’ve been watching some of those old classic movies in black & white.
They all smoke like crazy. And the actors are so good at demonstrating the great pleasures of inhaling and exhaling and the camera at capturing that fabulous smoke.
It’s driving me to craving frenzy.
I must stop and not watch anymore of those old B&Ws.
Advice: Don’t watch the TCM (Turner Classic Movies) channel or be prepared for a weakening of will!|||Oh God, it’s the end of the movie, Now Voyager, and Claude Rains lights up not one, but two cigarettes at the same time offering one to Bette Davis.|||I know it- I love hte classic movies, but right now I can’t really watch them because of the trigger it gives to light up- I still smoke, but have cut down, but when those movies coem on, I REALLY REALLY miss the old days when we could smoke anywhere at any time, and I find myself headign outdoors for a cigg after watchign thesem ovies|||yeah,you cant beat the old black and whites…
maybe if tempted to light up,you should remember that many of the old movie stars died of smoking related illnesses….|||I’ve never been put off by other people’s death fro msmoking unfortunately- wish it wass enough- relatives have passed away due to smoking- but the urge to keep smoking just keeps beating me down no matter what. Right after an operation once- I asked doc if I could go out for smoke- she said no- she left & I snuck out & almost couldn’t make it bakc was so weak
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Is the e-ciggie for quitting?
I would have thought that most smokers would choose another method for quitting than the e-cigarette, which seems to me to be an alternative for people that want to carry on with their habit but without the damaging health effects caused by tobacco smoke.
In fact, given that "e-smoke" delivers nicotine in much the same way as cigarettes, it may be harder for smokers to break the habit using the e-cig than by using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) products.
The reason for this is that the nicotine in NRT is absorbed through the mucous membranes in the mouth, nose and throat, not through the lungs - resulting in a much longer time for it to reach peak levels in the bloodstream. Smokers don’t get the same "hit" with NRT that they get with smoke, and it is the "hit" that provides much of the psychological addiction to nicotine.
However, on further analysis, the e-cig may offer one distinct advantage over NRT products: Cost.
In the UK, USA and Europe, NRT is roughly equivalent in price to smoking cigarettes. Although the initial outlay for an e-cigarette is quite large, over a relatively small period of time it becomes far cheaper - especially if you refill your own cartridges with nicotine solution.||| |||Hey Woody,
Have you thought about getting some from Ruyan? it may be a little more expensive, but I suspect they will have done more R&D to get the flavor right than the generics.
There are absolutely masses of suppliers, as I’m sure you’ve found out. I’m afraid i’m still too new to this game to tell you with any certainty where to go for it.
Also, have you considered that it may be the quality of the e-cigarette itself that affects the flavor?
Thanks for joining up and I look forward to chatting with you more!
SJ||| |||I don’t think the e-cigs, cigars, pipes are for quitting, either, even though that promise has obvious advertising and sales appeal. Is there a smoker out there who hasn’t tried something like "One Step at a Time"? The idea is to gradually reduce nicotine intake until you’re at zero. Then quit!
Same for quit methods that reduce daily cigarette use.
At some point, the smoker goes nuts and returns to his/her regular cigarettes, and usage quickly returns to whatever previous level existed before the quit attempt. All of these methods can be analyzed while listening to Mick Jagger sing "Ah cain’t get no-oh satisfaction."
In the U.S., there’s a cigarette called Quest that offers a unique step-down method. The story is that tobacco genes were altered in a lab so that plants with the altered genes did not produce nicotine. The leaves could be treated as any other tobacco leaves. The product could be smoked like any other cigarette. And Big Tobacco was so upset by this that it threatened anyone growing nicotine-free tobacco with bankruptcy or worse. It even stopped plants being grown in South America. Only the Amish showed no fear of Big Tobacco. They agreed to grow the plants.
There are three strengths of Quest, from regular to no-nicotine at all. I began the program, buying the far-more expensive regular Quests to begin with. Then I stepped down. And smoked more cigarettes. Then I went to no-nicotine Quests. I drew in smoke, saw it exhaled, but felt absolutely no "kick" or satisfaction of any kind. Yep, these are about as useful as herbal cigarettes for quitting. Not useful at all.
I returned to my favorite cigarettes.
I believe trying to quit with an e-cig will have similar results. Best to look at these new products as part of a healthier, more sustaintable lifestyle. Sustainable is the buzz word now for the environment. It can be the same for smokers. We need to find a routine that doesn’t involve inhaling tars into our throats and lungs, but satisfies a life-long addiction and habit. I have high hopes an e product might find a place in my own sustainable, harm-reducing routine.
But the jury is still out.|||I agree e-cigarettes are an alternative to cigarettes, not a way to stop smoking. E-smoking does seem to help some people to stop, though. For me, it didn’t help me to stop, but it did help me to smoke less.|||From research I’ve been doing, I believe claims of helping smokers quit will get a seller in dire straits. It won’t be the FDA that comes after them, but the Federal Trade Commission. That agency regularly slaps quit-smoking hucksters with million-dollar fines and puts them out of business. It has one simple mandate for all ad claims: Prove it. And the FTC means prove it with unbiased, in-depth studies. Those don’t exist for e-smoking devices. The fact that your Cousin Fred hasn’t had a cigarette since he got his e-cig doesn’t count.
On the other hand, if e-cigs are advertised as an "alternative" to cigarettes, then they might be considered a nicotine delivery device and need medical equipment status. That means years of expensive research and time spent waiting for federal approval. As things stand now, there is no place for nicotine as a recreational drug. There is no alternative to cigarettes, as far as the government is concerned. There’s only unregulated tobacco products and Big Pharmaceutical’s smoking cessation failures.
Hard to say where this will fall as far as legal sales in the U.S. are concerned. My hope is that they somehow slip through unregulated while federal agencies try to figure out which department should ban or strictly regulate them. I’m just glad I got my cigar and pipe and have been enjoying them for more than a month now. I’m stocking up on e-liquid — just in case.|||Obviously, it will vary from person to person. My experience with E-smoking has just helped me cut down on real ciggs. Once I pick up the E-cig and start puffing.. I don’t stop.. next thing I know.. 20 minutes have passed and I’m forcing myself to put it down.. Then, I have the feeling of wanting a real cigg.. several times now… I’ll end up smoking a real cigg after the 20min e-puffing.. and get light headed and a daze type feeling for a little while… OVERDOSING symptom I’m assuming. I am planning on going totally E-ciggs for my nicotine needs. Just need to get regular ciggs out of my mind and reach. One good thing after the E-puffing.. The real ciggy tastes nasty and doens’t give me the pleasure as before. For all these companies advertising E-ciggs will help you quit smoking just to boost sales is definately a mistake IMO. They need to keep it straight as a smoking alternative for nicotine.
I find it fun to use the E-cig for the most part.. Taking a few short puffs to get a decent amout of vapor to hold in my mouth, I will allow some to escape and then inhale up thru my nose and then back out my nose. Will repeat until all the vapor is gone from my mouth.. By doing this I get a cool feeling type vapor sensation around my nose.. AWESOME feeling to me…lol Its like zoning in on something once you do it a few times.. very relaxing.|||That was called "French inhaling" when I was a teen. You’d suck in a mouthful of smoke, part your lips and then sniff the smoke into and through your nose. I’d almost forgotten. We spent hours practicing ..
Today, I can blow vapor rings from my e-pipe.
Times change. Fun doesn’t.|||Well, at LEAST I quit the stinky cigarettes, so I do consider that I have "quit smoking." I just have another nicotine delivery system that resembles smoking. To each their own how they look at it, if you ask me. I use e-cigs exclusively and actually enjoy it more than I ever did smoking. (Gawd, I didn’t think that was possible.) My husband is a NON-smoker and he considers me quit.
I think eventually Uncle Sam will try and get his hands on it since it is a nicotine delivery system. It’s just a matter of time.Our best defense is to preach the word far and wide, so more people will know something about it when the gov starts looking at it.At least I wasn’t sick with my first e-cig as I seem to remember being with my first real one all those years ago!!!! lol 
actually hard to control e puff ….
sometime u will feel is it I smoke even more?answer is yes! but u reduce the number of real cig intake .
while I have my e cig , my one pack of real cig can last me 4 days or even 5 ! because I constantly e puff.
bad point , u will noticed u do everytime have to epuff..compare last time
if u wanna smoke have to go smoking area.this also prevent u to light up again .for some smokers…cos they find it troublesome.
but overall I honestly have to comment each got their pro and con here about e smoking and real smoking
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168 hours and counting!!!
Tomorrow morning, a week ago, at 9:00 am was the last time I lit up a cigarette, that’s 168 hours without a "real" ciggy.
If you smoke a pack a day, over a time period of say 16 hours, you will light up about every 45 minutes, give or take.
In this one week, 7 days, I did not smoke 7 x 20 = 140 cigarettes…….
Imagine this, 140 smelly nasty yukky butts laying somewhere.
Not anymore.
It was trying at times, but not really.
My lungs feel better and so much lighter, I breath better, I don’t have that smokers cough anymore, I do not hack, my husband tells me I breath lighter at night when I sleep.
Let’s start "the quiting club", and support each other every day.|||Congratulations
in about two hours I will have done one month.
keep it now.
|||well done u have the will power I should said.
For my case , after 4 days of e smoke
I still cannot get ride of real cigarette ..
have to smoke few sticks to settle for the day.
the rest of the day is constant e smoke
thus it reduce my intake from regular 10 to 20 sticks guy
to now at most so far is 3 to 4 days per day||| ||| |||Great attitudes! I applaud you. Last week was my first year off cigarettes. You can do it and e-smoking makes it much easier now. One day at a time. One craving at a time. Just e-smoke right through that craving and it will go away. As time passes, those cravings will come less and less frequently. Worst is awakening and after dinner. Defeat those devilish cravings and you’ve got it made!||| ||| |||it is great,i also want to quit smoking with e-cigarette,so i ordered a set from loongtotem two days ago.|||That was great to see this thread pop up.
I have not smoked one single cigarette for 2 weeks now!
I don’t miss it at all.
I’m taking it day by day, then two, then one week, now over two weeks.
If I can go 2 weeks without cigarettes, I can go 3 weeks, then 4 weeks.
And so on.Congrats sanneke, just wait until you decide to try a real cig, just to see, and it is the most awful thing you have ever tasted and for the life of you, you can’t figure out how you ever thought it was good. That is when you know that you won’t go back - LOLSanneke and Ned — way to go kids! Keep on keepin’ on!
Are you backing off on the nicotine at all? Believe me, true freedom is actually OWNING the moment you CHOOSE to have an e-cig break instead of craving one…
I wish you both continued success!
P.S. Ned, where to you stay on Barbados? Gold coast? I am Crane Beach Man myself!
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Placebo effect for cutting back..
Been lurking here for a while thought i would throw in my 2 cents…
I have been throwing an equal amount of no nic cartridges and medium cartidges in a bag and shaking them up. So now when i pull a cart for use i have no idea whether it has nic or not… It seems to be working well for cutting back…
Has anyone else tried this….|||hahaha …
AWESOME IDEA!!! I smoke strictly zero nic cartridges, however, this sounds like an awesome idea for others. Maybe even cutting down the number thrown into the bag each time its emptied!
Thanks for sharing! 
|||Cash, I know you are talking about me - LOL. That does sound like a good idea, but since I drip most of the time, maybe I could fill 2 10ml bottles, unlabeled, and switch back and forth.
Thanks for the suggestion.||| when I first get my e cig
I already done this
but u will sense it of cos when u e puff|||Yep, thats exactly the plan, put less and less nic in the pool each time…
I have only had one time so far, that i wass pretty sure there was no nic in a xart, but i just dealt with it until the next cart change….
|||I haven’t tried "no" nic carts, but I’ve been testing an e-cig this past week that came with high, medium and low carts. Without looking at the writing on the carts, I cannot tell any difference among them. In fact, I got a spin off one and went back to check what it was. A "medium."
My best "smokes" are low nicotine homebrew liquids heavy on extract flavor. I enjoy the vapor and taste far more than any other consideration.
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What
Hello all,
I haven’t been on this forum for a long time. I had a number of catastrophes involving the loss of my favourite e-cig (DSE901B), and just recently I found my other e-cig (RN4081) in the washing machine
So, surprise surprise, I’m back on cigarettes
I managed few months, and even a few weeks without any kind of smoking, but as soon as alcohol touched my lips - I was a goner.
I feel like I’ve failed so badly, but as soon as I have enough pennies I’ll climb back on the wagon..
Did you all miss me??
Spider|||i missed ya dude 
can’t believe your back on cigarettes dude bummer you were so positive about the future with out cigarettes..have you tried pillboxes 36mg yet..? if you havent your in for a treat dude hehe|||It’s good to be back! Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to try that juice but I think it might be necessary when I get enough pennies for a new e-cig!
I’m liking the look of Smokester’s new flavours too!
Anything major happened on the e-cig front while I’ve been gone?
Spider|||the main change dude is we can now get are hands on 36mg dude when you smoke this juice its more like a cigarette and you dont need it welded to your face allday 10 puffs and youve got your fix..and the throat clout is the same as a fag…this is the biggest news..plus loads of the old posters are now suppliers hehe|||That’s great news! I’m dying to get my hands on some of that stuff |||spidey surely all you need to buy is a battery and atomizer to get you started again this wont cost you more than a few days of cigarette smoking!||| |||That’s awfully generous of you phylo! Although I have no idea how much shipping costs from the US, if it’s comparable to buying a new battery and an atomiser I might be just as well doing that instead.
Again, thanks for the offer - why did you choose not to supply that particular e-cig by the way? It wasn’t because it’s highly toxic or anything, was it? hehe
Spider||| ||| I’ve sent things to Holland, the cost was about 8 bucks.
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Confessions of an e-cig smoker
I started the journey into e-gigs hoping to quit smoking. Initally, I bought some cheap crap from e-cig.com. The wife’s worked, mine didn’t. Postponed quitting. After more research, some on this forum, I bought an Njoy. Good product but the price of the carts is stupid. Bought the wife a Janty. It worked well so I ordered one for myself and sent the Njoy back. During this time, I ordered $65 worth of stuff from e-cig.com but got cheap on the shipping and shipped it by slow boat. Two months later I still haven’t received it and at this point, I really don’t care. Note, pay for express shipping. Comes in two weeks, worth the extra money.
After receiving my Janty, I managed to quit for almost a week, then back slid. My lungs hurt and wanted a real cigarette. Now I realized I was missing the menthol. After reading posts by Trog and others, I realized that e-cigs were unreliable. In order to ensure quitting, I would have to have spare parts. Bought two atomizers, two batteries, and another switch for my Janty. Still not motivated enough to quit. The taste of the juice was not right. I have been a menthol smoker since 16, now 50. Bought some menthol crystals off ebay. Added them to Jane’s juice. Have managed to quit again. 24 hours and counting.
Some people are what I call hobby smokers. They smoke half a pack a day and can quit any time they want to. I wish. I am an addict. Smoke two packs a day and suffer from coughing fits. What I found was, I was making excuses for not quitting. My e-cig might break down, the juice doesn’t taste right, etc. The point is, if you really want to quit, you can do it. Here is how.
Get a good e-cig and enough extra parts to make another. That way if you have to ship parts back, you have a backup. Find your strength. I need at least 24mg of nicotine or I go nuts. Lighter smokers may need less. Find your flavor. I have spent over $100 just finding my flavor. What I found is that they don’t make it. Most menthol e-juices are mint flavored, not menthol flavored. Once I bought some menthol crystals and started mixing it myself I was able to quit. I wasn’t looking for something that tasted just like a Kool. I wanted something that tasted very minty, was refreshing, made my lungs feel good. Ended up about 10 times as strong as a Kool, but I prefer it over a regular cig.
I have a mentally disabled son. My desire to quit is so I can live a long life and take care of him as long as possible. I am writing this to possibly help others, but mostly to document the fact, I QUIT. Just knowing this is out there in writing will help me to persivere. Anyway, I appreciate all the comments and reviews by others. Keep up the good work. My son and I thank all of you.
Brian|||Well done Brian!
My doc always told me ‘there’s a way for everyone to quit and one day you’ll find the right way for you’
I found the e cig did it for me.
Before that…I too used all the addicts excuses..the time’s not right…the patches/inhaler/gum just don’t taste right or deliver the nicotine…I’ll do it next week/month/day/year…and on and on.
I have now been tobacco free for 5 weeks and was an addict for 40 years.
My only advice is just stick with it & check out this forum often, a lot of support is available here.
You CAN do it, you WILL do it……you have the best reason in the world.
Let us know how you are doing.
Kind regards.||| ||| |||Brian I also made some good menthol mix, but then I got nervous about toxicity issues so I quit using it. I think I will dilute my mix further to err on the safe side and perhaps add mint to try to give it a bit more flavour.
While I’m sure most of us will be fine imo it’s worth doing a little research about the side effects of menthol - some are not pleasant. Just incase anyone gets an overdose or has an allergic type reaction to using it, best to be informed upfront.||| |||Congrats, keep it up!! I have been on cigs and on e-cig for about half a year now.|||
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When my first ordered ecig arrived I finished my pack of ciggies and decided not to buy the next pack. After a couple days I noticed one of my ashtrays had 3/4 of a ciggie left. Previously I’d read a cessation article that said the known presence of cigarettes can create or increase cravings. I considered that, went to toss the ciggie in the trash, then considered I might visualize it being there. We’ve all done it, usually at 3am! So I smoked it instead and was pleased to find it seemed just okay, nothing special. Finished it and didn’t give it another thought.
Fast forward a few weeks and a few more orders. Tonight none of my ecigs are working. I’ve been struggling with them for days, too much time, too many wasted carts, too much rinsing juice out of my mouth and too much sticky liquid odor. Used some NRT, however I need to work on something for hours. It’s dark, and I have to FOCUS after several days of ecig fumbling. I’m fully confident that when I’ve got a reasonably working ecig again all will be right with the world, so I finally decide to pick up one pack of the real thing until - I hope - a replacement arrives tomorrow. Is my confidence misplaced? Am I just rationalizing?
What a difference a few weeks makes. I’m 5 cigs into the pack now and where is that mindless enjoyable bliss I recall getting from my dear ciggies? The smoke is harsh in my mouth and tastes of truck exhaust. The filter is spongy… too soft, too soggy - I might be holding a damp wool sock between my lips and it’s repellent. I’ve got a hint of a headache, am on the edge of dizzy. My fingers smell of charred wood. When I breath there is a heaviness in my chest I don’t recollect ever noticing before.
So, here I am. I didn’t notice the trip.|||Isn’t it some kind of rule that every recovering addict needs a relapse. Needs that final look at the dark side, as it were.|||Frankly, I’m getting lost too. I’ve stopped counting specific days off cigarettes and my calendar is now a countdown to one year. It reads -23 days. But I’m very frustrated and oh so close to returning to cigarettes. Frustration and stress take a toll, I know, and that’s what e-smoking is to me.
Atomizers. Batteries. Questionable e-liquid. Inconsistent performance. Inadequate nicotine dose. Frustrations.
Unlike you, Jamie, I think if I smoke even one cigarette — ever– then I’m back to being a slave to the habit/addiction. I liked the smoking experience, with the singular exception of a persistant cough that disappeared almost a year ago … I liked the smell (still do) of burning tobacco. I liked a break taken outside with peers. I liked to "reward" myself for tasks successfully completed. I liked to contemplate tasks lying just ahead. All were reasons (excuses) to smoke a cigarette.
I get only a placebo effect with e-smoking. That’s good, mind you, but hardly satisfying.
I’m just not sure I can wait until a reliable device is marketed. In this year, however, I’ve learned what works so I can be smokefree in forced environments — like flying or hospital stays. (1) Stonewall tobacco bits, my personal favorite; (2) snus, non-stop using Wise 6mg tasteless pouches; (3) Oliver Twist bits, when a strong nic hit is needed. I’m hanging tough today, with two declining atomizers in use, but I’m not a happy e-smoker.|||I tend to agree with TB - I don’t think any of us are truly a happy e-smoker - at least not until the perfect e-cig is made… It does get frustrating when an atomizer breaks or the batteries do not last long. Always having to replace parts and the cost of doing so are enough to make anyone say "that聮s enough"…
However, the other day, my hubby was driving and asked me to light him a cigarette. When I did, I about gagged… Now I know what 聯licking an ashtray聰 means. It was truly disgusting to me.
So I will continue to fight with my e-cigs. I will continue to buy new atomizers and batteries. I will continue to buy new e-cigs just coming out on the market, in hope of one day finding the perfect e-cig, the perfect smoking device for myself….|||Right now as I’m writing this there is a marlboro light between my fingers and I’m smoking it. God I wish there wasn’t…
All day and all night I’ve been really really good and used my e-products.
What is it that continues to draw us back to the dark side ?
There doesn’t seem to be an answer to that !
For me even after extensive use of an e-product I still want the craving that the familiar cigarette gives me. And yes, I hate the taste of them now, and yes, not that I really like e-smoke either. And yes, I hate the feeling of smoke gets in your eyes, and yes, I know I smell like ****, and yes I know I’m going to wake up with bird cage mouth, but I still do it … WHY ?|||well im a pretty happy esmoker…im a former 20 a day man,and i loved them..but maybe some people are more susceptible to the siren song of cigarettes than others…
the way i look at it,theres no such thing as an everlasting pack of smokes either.things get used and need to be replaced.
you smoke a pack of 20,then buy another pack.same thing for these devices-they get used,reach the end of their life,then need replaced.
get real folks-nothing lasts forever.i can buy an atomiser from my supplier for the price of a 20 pack,and its gonna last longer than they would.
thats the way it is at the moment,like it or lump it.keep lots of spares,thats all you can do right now to avoid frustration if you want to continue to do this.|||Wow.. what a difference a few weeks make…
When i came on board in mid May this was a pretty optimistic group. Myself included. The decided lack of E-reliability seems to be ebbing for all of us. Even us nonicks are getting a bit sick and tired of the battery/atomizer shuffle these days. SmartFixx has sent me 2 free atomizers and 3 free batteries so far and i can only cobble together one penstyle that sort-of works today… I spent Monday just holding and gesturing with a dead PS all day. What the hell– i don’t need the nicotine…. it’s just a prop. who cares if I’m not making fake smoke… I care. The ability to make vapor MATTERS! I wanted a cigarette on Monday. Today I can make vapor and today i couldn’t care less about cigarettes.
Not sure who i am more annoyed with: the device or myself. :?|||sounds like some folks are having a rough go of things, I guess I count myself lucky in that I found e-smokes by accident and bought one only to cut down my smoking, and then just didn’t want to smoke real cigs after having smoked an e-cig. I never thought i’d quit smoking even after watching a few of my relatives die rather slowly and painfuly from smoking related illness. I for one can’t believe that I havent had a real cgg in six days and don’t have the slightest desire for one. I’ve spent $600.00 in the last six days on e-cigs carts and juice and I don’t think I’ve ever been so happy to part with my money, I too am scared of failing atomizersd and the battery issue can be a bit annoying but so is carting an oxygen tank and 20 feet of hose around all day or at least my grandfather seeme pretty annoyed at this until he dies of emphazema, I don’t care if I have to make sure that I have twenty spare atomizers and 50 spare batterys just to insure that i have one working e-cig, its worth it in the long run. And I can’t tell ya how wonderful it is to have this forum with all it’s information and helpful folks like yourself when getting started with this e-cig stuff so a big thanx to everyone on this board and I hope that something really wonderful happens to each and every one of you that will make you smile.|||Gee I overlooked this thread by accident until now. Rather touching I thought. I聮ll just add my 2 cents.
The only thing I haven聮t liked about e-smoking is that I聮ve become totally obsessed with it and it has taken up much of my time and money. I wanted to ensure I had all the paraphernalia to make the e-cigs work so I have a substitute to going out and buying a pack of regular cigarettes. It聮s time for me to move on from this obsession and I think I have a plan that I hope works out.
Today I received my 2nd NJoy. I started ordering low or no nicotine. Each of my NJoys is a different color. One I聮ll use the low or no nicotine with and the other all the high nicotine I have ordered up until now. I also hope by having 2 e-cigs to alternate throughout the day, they won聮t break down so easily as I聮m a heavy smoker. So I聮m a little pleased with my plan and hope it will work and release me from my obsession and let me move on to my next project or stage, making e-smoking a more tangential part of my life. And if I need 3 e-cigs, I聮ll get 3.
Now TropicalBob don聮t let me hear you talk like that again! You keep counting those days to the end of your year. You are our Grand Master! You can聮t fail us!|||I think a lot of this is just change in the tactile part of the habit. When I was smoking tobacco full time, the ‘business’ of it was pretty locked down. Buy cigs, buy lighter, spark up, inhale, toss butt. I never freaked out when a disposable lighter died, just bought another one.
There is enough difference in preparing an e-cig to cause vague unease (to me at least)
The part that really bugs me is the variable level of nicotine as a cart empties. There is no equivalent in tobacco smoking so it comes across as less satisfying then the real thing. (I haven’t started dripping yet, but I’m hoping that topping up the carts will sort this out)
We haven’t acclimitised to the limits of the tech yet, that’s all.
EmpEnjoyed reading your posts. Thought I should write an end to my tale - well, at least this round.
By the time I’d finished my pack in the afternoon, I’d gotten and later lost the headache. The ciggies had become somewhat less blecchh but not as much as expected over a whole pack. Then! - There was a package at the door and it was so exciting… I ripped strips off the wretched sticky envelope trying to get it open and found… lanyards. The lanyards I’d ordered for all those working ecigs I don’t have. The lanyards I’d ordered AFTER that atomizer was supposedly mailed. Hmmph. 
While I was irritated, perturbed, disgruntled over the missing atomizer, I didn’t have any noticeable interest in getting another pack of ciggies either. I used my prescription inhaler for a while. As posted elsewhere, I used the ’scratch’ trick and got about an hour of functionality from one unit. Played with another atomizer for a bit and it’s been dribbling, a little vapor here, a wisp of smoke over there… The dribbling and my inhalers have fed the demon, even in the dark.
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The "reputable retailers" who continue to flog these single-atomizer kits are quickly losing my respect. You’d think folks who jumped seriously into this business did so because they understood the power of having a customer base of addicts, but they don’t seem to get what that means beyond gold bullion fantasies. They’ll be hard pressed to hang on to the bullion as a bunch of addicts remember their part in f’ing up the fix. Single-atomizer kits are too costly from all angles.
Not enough time at the moment to note all your interesting comments…. thanks again.Haha yep!
I’ve never been so glad that someone was coughing and spluttering before
