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Hello all, I’m so happy I found this forum. Very Informative. I ordered and recieved my first E-cig from Njoy this last week.. I would say I love it.. cut down from 2 packs a day to half a pack so far. Only thing is.. often when I inhale.. I end up coughing like crazy… My wife and a few others I’ve let take a puff have the same coughing reaction.. Anyone else coughing from the vapor inhaling??? Is this normal? Or am I doing something wrong. Thanks in advance.

UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!

I still get a cough with my E-cig from Njoy, tends to be on the first initial puff. Since my first E-cig from Njoy, I’ve purchased 2 different types of Minis and another pen style from E-cig.com. I don’t tend to cough with those hardly at all. I cannot tell at this time whats the difference other than the E Liquid used. Ordered E-liquid from E-cig.com and tried dripping and do not seem to get a cough from that. I think I’ll try to extract the liquid from an Njoy cartridge and drip it on one of my other cigs and see what happens. I’ll post results back here soon.|||Hi Meltrex!

Sorry to hear about your coughing problem. Have you emailed Njoy about it? Do you cough with all strengths of cartridges? Did the coughing start straight away or after a few days of starting e-smoking?

Regards,

SJ|||I understand perfectly. When that vapor hits the back of my throat, I often cough — particularly on the first inhalation. For me, it doesn’t seem related to nicotine strength (I’ve moved exclusively to 24mg nicotine now). I don’t usually continue the cough, however. A smoker soon learns whether the cough is from the throat or lungs. Short bark is throat. Rattling is lungs and a message to stop whatever is causing it!

I’ve been e-smoking a couple of months and still get the occasional throat cough. But gone now are the lung coughs brought on by cigarettes.||| |||My Ruyan does the same thing to me also. I sometimes just let the vapor sit in my mouth for a split second before doing the full inhale. That helps quite a bit, I think it may be due to the temperature… but then how hot is normal cigarette smoke compared to e-smoke?|||Thats what I’ve learned to do as well, let it sit in my mouth for a sec.. then I’ll actually let it creep out and up my nose for the inhale… so I can see the vapor smoke as well Just ordered apple flavored refills from Njoy, any reviews or has anyone tried that yet?|||After trying a few different E-cigs. I still tend to cough when inhaling the vapor. I’ve ordered and recieved some E-liquid from E-cig.com. Going to try to refill an Njoy cartridge (Tend to cough more with Njoy) I did try e-drippin 2 drops on the atomizer of the Njoy then used an apple flavored cartridge and the taste was very enjoyable. The coughing varies, I’m not sure why it happens. I have a technique when it comes to E-smoking. I cannot just pick it up and take drags off of it like I do a regular cig. So E-smoking is definately not the same as cigarette smoking. When I drag off of my E-cig I’ll keep the vapor in my mouth for a few seconds and either do a few french inhales (up thru my nose) then inhale the rest and I don’t cough at all. I have noticed letting the vapor wallow in my mouth a few seconds before inhaling deeply, reduces the coughing temendously and still get vapor from exhaling but its very subtle. I do feel the rush of a nicotine hit you might say. Similar to smoking a regular cig just not as intense.|||Meltrex: As you’ll note from other posts I’ve made on the forum, I too am coughing. At first, it was mostly with the first inhalation. Now, it’s daily and persistant into the night. As this new method of getting nicotine is evolving, we are learning that propylene glycol irritates some people’s lungs. I think I might be one of those people.

If that’s the case, then I can’t inhale vapor. Fortunately, I have my monstrous e-pipe and I must return to "smoking" it the way I do my real pipes. Puff, hold smoke in mouth, exhale. Never inhale into the lungs. This, however, requires super-strong nicotine liquid, since the nicotine must be absorbed by the less efficient mouth, not the highly efficient lungs.

And it renders my mini cig just about useless (I have an e-cigar that I’ll "smoke" the same as a real cigar; no inhaling).

I’ll test all this further, but I’m a concerned e-smoker at this moment. E-smoking is a marvelous step away from cigarette smoking, but it might not be for everyone. I’m with SJ that we might need to find a substitute liquid — even a more expensive one — than propylene glycol.|||Bob, here’s an interesting fact you may or may not be aware of regarding pipe smoking:

Cigar and pipe tobacco has a significantly raised PH level, the reason being that it enables the nicotine to be more efficiently absorbed by the mucous membranes (I don’t know why!)

I wonder if you added something to the nicotine solution to raise the PH levels, you might get a more satisfactory hit without having to use an extra-strong (and expensive) solution?

Question is though, what could you add?|||Good thought. When the secret documents of tobacco companies came to light in the U.S., it was found that numerous cigarette makers added an alkaline substance to the tobacco so that the nicotine would be better absorbed. And if you want to ruin smoking’s effect, just drink some pineapple juice while you smoke. You won’t feel a thing.

Acid mouth, reduced impact. Alkaline mouth, increased impact. I’ll do some research on a consumable alkaline substance that could be added to e-Liquid. (And I’ll make sure I’ve got my pH’s pointing in the right direction.)SJ: Cigarette makers added ammonia to increase absorption of free nicotine. But the easiest way to boost the pH and thus the absorption of nicotine is to add seawater or sea salt. That might explain the extreme saltiness found in most Swedish snus. Users assume it’s to increase snus’ useful tin life, but it also increases the nicotine absorbed from this product. I’ll experiment with adding some seawater to e-Liquid and see if I get an increased nicotine lift. I have one bottle of "medium" on hand and one of "extra high". I’ll try the medium first.

Some of the material I read leads me to believe all kinds of beneficial minerals could be added to that solution. Who knows how they would react to nicotine, but probably not much at all. We could end up with a smoking device that satisfies addiction and the daily vitamin/mineral needs! Ha.

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As we dance on the deck of the Titanic, consider the news stories swirling today about a chemical in recyclable plastic most folks call BPA. Here’s the lead from one news story:

"The first large study of humans exposed to a chemical widely used in everyday plastics has found that people with higher levels of bisphenol A had higher rates of heart disease, diabetes and liver abnormalities."

So, you ask? Well, what are our cartridges made of? What are our vials of liquids made of? Where are our vials made? (Many manufacturers place triangles with numbers inside them on the bottoms of plastic vials — a 7 means it has BPA — our e-liquid vials are not stamped at all; check it out).

Another paragraph:

"BPA is the chemical once studied as a synthetic form of estrogen, but more recently known to leach out of some plastic water bottles and baby bottles, and that is found in all kinds of plastic products."

It leaches worst in a heated or acidic environment. Anyone else think it’s highly likely that our e-cig devices, vials and liquid containers are made with BPA? And if you want to get a chemical circulating in the body in the fastest way besides direct injection, you … INHALE IT.

Then what? Another graf:

"BPA mimics the female hormone estrogen and another recent study suggested it may be implicated in metabolic syndrome 聳 a dangerous combination of high cholesterol, high blood pressure and erratic blood sugar levels.

"Earlier studies have also found a link with cancer, growth defects and neurological problems."

Our FDA in America has passed over scientific studies about BPA, saying the stuff is safe in each instance of use (but does accumulate all day from a variety of food sources containing it, everything from pop soda cans to the cardboard your pizza sits on).

But no group of people besides e-smokers are INHALING BPA a hundred times or more every day, putting this chemical on the fast track to the brain. That’s assuming BPA is in the vials, the carts, maybe even the filler material in the carts or the wick that heats under the atomizer. Don’t expect manufacturers (who are they?) to supply answers to these questions either.

The last paragraph of this news story said it all as to why this is happening:

"Despite more than 100 studies by government-funded scientists and university laboratories that have linked BPA exposure to health effects in animals, the Food and Drug Administration has deemed it safe, largely on the basis of two studies funded by the chemical industry."

As always, follow the money.|||Dayum. Dayum.

Wonder if we can get blood tests to see if it is in our bloodstream?
I get liver enzymes tested regularly - will be watching those to see if I exhibit any changes as a lab rat.|||I had some blood taken for a liver function test last week, I’ll report back if I get any unusual results.|||I had blood drawn Friday and specifically asked that blood PH be tested and results given to me. That’s to check on the lactic acidosis possibility. I’m sure there will be no test for BPA, however. I’m a heavy e-smoker and want to know how this is affecting my blood — but I also follow my lipids and cholesterol every six months. The BPA thing is probably very difficult to ascertain (read: expensive).

I guess the bottom line is we can’t say for certain this is safe, or even safer than smoking tobacco. Smoking-related cancers usually take 20 years to develop. How long would it take for BPA to do liver or heart damage? Another unknown .. so we need to stop making unsubstantiated health claims about e-smoking.

As Nike says: Just do it.|||Did I miss a memo?

BPA is in Plastic bottles as far as I know.

Are you talking about the carts them selfs?

If so, you dont have to worry about BPA because its an additive to Clear Plexy bottles.

Again, as far as I know|||BPA is in far more than clear plastic bottles. I was out earlier this afternoon checking out plastic bottles of all kinds. Turn them over. Look for a triangle. If it says "3" or "7" it’s got BPA. If it says "2" it’s okay. If it says nothing, don’t use it. It’s cheap and the manufacturer can’t be trusted.

Now look on the bottoms of our liquids’ vials. No triangle mark. Look at the cartridges. Plastic. Look at the mouthpiece we suck on. Plastic. This is just another unknown that needs to become a known. If manufacturers wanted to, they could assure us BPA is not used anywhere in our devices.

P.S. The memo said people are stampeding back to glass or metal drinking and food containers.|||None of my bottles are plastic, thats why it confused me.

Who is selling juice in plastic? maybe we can request they change to glass?

Sitting for a long time in plastic is when it leaches, and I am not sure what a long time is for plastic? Cool dry place, can be pretty long, in the sun, maybe a few hours.

LArge water jugs can sit up to 3 months, or a few weeks, again it depends. For a 1 ounce bottle? unless its full or something real acidic (pure alcohol, might, but it would eat the bottle first) , it would take a Long time to leach out.

The plastic mouth piece and cart is so small, i wouldnt worry about it. Unless your actually chewing and eating it during use, hehe

The sky is always falling, but nothing ever hits the ground.

Every week something will kill you. Is eggs good or bad this week? (with the bacon from the other thread, I can eat )

The bottle of water you may have drank, in a lot of cases, has more crap in it to worry more about, then BPA, and sure more then the tiny amounts you may get from these parts.

Now, the baby bottles and food containers, ok, because their system is not developed to deal with it yet.|||i so think it is a legitimate concern, specifically as was mentioned, we do not know what the cartridge fiber is constructed from and it is heated to a point where it becomes gaseous.|||We smoked thousands of cigarettes, some of us just this year, now we are worried what the mouth piece may have come into contact with in the manufacturing process?

I am old enough to remember the PCB scare when i was young. Only cancer I ever heard about was from the land fills where they dumped the transformers they were saveing us from 0_o

I agree that we need to learn as much as we can about the whole E-cig phanominom. Because its not regulated, and because its used as an Inhaler, BUT, thats what makes them good as well, I wont go into the benifits, but the cigarette taxes alone for a month would buy an E-cig in some places.

Its all the nail biteing thats going to get the government to regulate the piss out of these, then we are going to be crying, like we did when they banned smoking from everyplace but your bathroom. (and then Ive heard of ordinances if its a bathroom in an apartment building )

Every other post here of late is that these will kill you in some way shape or form.

And its all based on some flimsy study, or news artical, or someone had a pain in while taking a dump 6 months ago, damn (ok exageration)

One thread is even about how E-smokes cause Flatuence, Sheese 0_o

If you people are that afraid of these, send them to me, I can do a case study to see the long term effects on myself, and Ill let you know in 20 years If its safe or not.

*Sorry Bob if i seem to be highjacking, Its not intended, its just, this thread was a good one for a rant |||

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I have noticed a headache side effect with the Freesmoke nicotine liquid. The peppermint (which I like) gives me a nasty headache if I e-smoke too much. Oddly the chocolate flavour is not as bad so I am uncertain if it is nicotine that causes it or some personal reaction to the flavourings in the minty one. The liquid from E-cig seems fine. Also with the Freesmoke liquid I tend to feel a bit tetchy and hyper. This makes me wonder how accurately the dosage is measured.
On the whole though, in every other way I still feel like a non smoker in terms of fitness levels. I have been e-smoking for 6 months now and never touch cigarettes. I can honestly say that I suffer none of the usual "smoker" symptoms such as cough, chestiness,etc and I am fitter than I have been for at least ten years having not smoked a real cigarettes for 15 months. I used to suffer palpitaions when I smoked but have not done so with e-cigs.|||Excellent stuff, Woody.

I too am amazed by e-smoking. My fitness levels just keep improving and I feel like I have a new body - and that’s after only 3 months!

I have the cherry Freesmoke liquid and it seems perfectly fine to me, no obvious side effects here, perhaps you have an allergy to the flavouring?

SJ|||I think it may be an additive in the peppermint SJ but I am still awaiting someone who will produce an equivalent liquid to a brand new Sedansa cartridge. That really seems to hit the spot! As for side effects I think we will struggle to find any seriuos ones compared with smoking.||| |||Here’s a positive side effect! When I quit smoking 15 months ago it was a real struggle not to gain weight even when I didn’t eat as much. With e cigs I seem to be back to normal and I can now eat normally again and stay the same weight. For most women this is a very major benefit.|||Woody: Elsewhere you’ll find a newspaper article I posted yesterday on Dutch authorities being asked to investigate the safety of e-smoking after some users reported heart palpitations. That’s nicotine overdose, too. We tend to always use these e devices, unlike the smoke-it-and-snuff-it use of cigarettes. LVD offered good advice.|||It is certainly all too easy to puff away non stop but I try to leave at least an hour between uses to avoid potential problems. In the past I have had palpitations using nicotine gum so I understand the problem. Maybe some people have really overdone it without realising. Perhaps future models will have some sort of measured dose similar to that of a cigarette so we know when to stop. Also it seems generally accepted that risk to the heart is the biggest hazard of nicotine in any form.|||I particularly like LVD’s idea of having a second no-nicotine cigarette. Now why didn’t I think of that?

SJ||| |||The overdose factor is the number one reason why I haven’t ordered any E-liquid and cartridges. I’ve overdosed just from chain smoking marlboro lights. Start playing a computer game and have smoke breaks between levels every 15 minutes for a few hours straight… NOT GOOD lol. I’m afraid i’ll misuse the e-liquid somehow. Still reading and learning on it. Definately need to order in 0mg cartridges. Should’ve thought of that in the first place. I have 2 Njoys and 4 mini health cigs in front of me.. so I catch myself constantly puffing now… Do they sell a 0mg e-liquid? Going to go check right now…lol YES THEY DO!!!! May put in an order tonight. Really love this forum. Thanks everyone!!!!!!

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okie , now I keep puffing my e cigarette

nearly non stop in office , home ..and places where there is not much ppl cos maybe I shy on my penstyle which don;t look like real cigarette.

than in smoking area or while walking on the street I will smoke real cigarette.

my frd ask me wonder now I more get addicted to nicotine?

since e cigarette surely is nicotine whereas real cigarette is mixture of tar and monoxide thosands of chemicals.

this two combo I take ..seem like making me into a smoking machine ..or maybe more deadly !!!???????|||This question has been posed many times…..yes, you can get addicted (out of habit and easy accessibility to e-smoking)….and if given a choice between real cigarette and e-smoking, I think any sane individual will pick from the lesser of two evils…I’ll stick to e-smoking….and I will learn to control…..will power much needed here..

my advise will be TAKE IT EASY..JUST DON’T OVERDO IT…and you’ll find your limit…||| ||| |||

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I came across this from e-cig.com, thought you all might find it interesting. He has given his permission to use his posts if we feel it might be helpful.

|||Very interesting!

Thanks for the heads up.

Incidentally, I showed mine to my doctor recently and he was amazed. He said he shall be advising some of his patients to take a look at it!

SJ|||When you showed it to your doctor Smokey_joe, did he remark on possible negative effects from PG or other ingredients?|||Time to update the Malaysian doctor’s comments on the E-Cig forum. Got to love this guy. I do. I’ve posted to him a few times to tell him he’s doing pioneering work. This is well worth a read. Here are the pertinent posts:

I have begun a clinical trial in Malaysia and have sought out this company products to help out in the clinical trial…So far as I can see the results is AMAZING…..As a doctor for many years..I have never seen my patients (age ranging from 18 to 94 years old both male and female) so happy with this therapy….
90% have given up smoking and 5% still smokes but much less…the other 5% failure (still under supervision) might be due to device adaptibilty problems or bad habits …sometimes you can’t change a leopard skin…hmmmm

Anyway, trial still in early stages and we actually help by supplementing different methods of Nicotine usage…I have also developed several types of liquids for the patients for their devices as well to continue their fillup (refill) program..Amazing discovery there…more of psychological trust then physical need/addiction is invovled…Will publish more as this trial continues…

The devices we use are of NJOY cigarette and Cigar…recent addition is from E-cig company E-pipe and minicig and their cigarette…lots of technicality issues but soon to be resolved and also financial impact on the patients (huge savings!!) is being assessed…All I can say is "The Future looks Bright,I gotta wear shades!"

Just forgotten to add one more thing..These Clinical trial is done Privately (not Goverment funded) and involve patient own funding…Our govt has their own clinical trial going on with pharmacotherapy headed by Big pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer….Looks like E-cigarette is being the better option at the moment

Note the the Big Pharma involvement! Tropical Bob

I will present my clinical trial findings to the government for further assessment once it is ready for presentation..right now I’m trying to convince my fellow medical doctors (skeptics..hah!) that this thing works…you’ll never know till you try isn’t it?

Thanks for your reply and sure you can post this anywhere as long it can prove to be helpful….My ministry of health will be listening to this options soon as they are desperate to fight the smoking problems here in Malaysia.In our country, smoking is prevalent among the younger groups now and that is not easy battle going on…raising the price of cigarettes doesn’t seems to help and social conformnity to this problems tends to be the issue here.

My Clinical trial will be in a study form and medical parameters will apply…Just by removing one single exponential cause of major lung disease will help the country’s economy and general health of the populations (provided the Cigarette companies does not fight back with the dirty money)…It will not only generally benefit the smokers but the whole country environment as well…

My biggest problem will be the lower income groups of people who can’t afford the existing price of this devices will still be smoking the traditional cigarette..that’s why we need to create cheaper devices rivaling that of traditional cigarettes….hopefully some the manufacturers will comply and help ….we dream of a world free of pollutions and that is now within our grasp…just the financial cost and reliability issues remains…I will give hope for this because I myself and many others in this Forum still learning to improve and contribute to make this thing work….Thanks katink for reading and thanks for your approval..that will encourage a lot of people…..

I will publish out a medical data for the public as well as for the govt…hoping for some sort of financial subsidy to help out my lower income groups of patients (I’m using my own money to subsidise my patients..free e-liquids refill for those undergoing NRT program..time for me to pay back to the society

Today was a hectic day…just came home…very tired…getting old….
Was thinking of Lions/Rotary earlier on but not wishing to bother them for they too are very tied down with their own Agenda….I will hit out directly to the Govt/MOH…that will be more effective..
Anyway..we will be approaching our Local Airlines soon i.e, AirAsia and MAS to test out their regulations..they have shown interest in this new age smoking..hopefully for the better.
Thanks for all the support and advices given..it does help a lot…and encourage me on to eliminate the scrouge evil weed influence on humankind…thanks also to E-cig company for making this all possible…My patients thank you all for all the good work done and hope for better future for all smokers and non-smokers alike…

My first beneficial results of using e-cig is (from patients data) marked and rapid improvements of incidence of Sinusitis and bronchitis…All my patients with chronic history of Sinusitis and Bronchitis has reported a significant reduction of problems/symptoms…100% acheived for phlegm/mucus reduction. Much less runny nose and sneezing bouts, that means incidence of upper respiratory tract infection has dropped drastically…in about 10 patients out of 100 reported decreased Snoring events and reported improved sleep state (much reduced sleep apnoea incidence.)..I’m very happy with this outcome as this proves our theory Vapor from the e-cig devices does somehow does help to moistuirize the ENT passages.
All the above will help to reduce medical cost of ENT problems encountered by smokers/passive smokers…the incidence of Rhinitis and ENT problems among the household members also was greatly reduced..the kids no longer had runny nose(Another beneficial effects..no doubt about that!)..that means far less pollution at home…that’s an added bonus….

I will be giving out more good news as this trial progresses ..next on will the Lung Function Test…and medical parameters like Blood Pressure and Heart rate (those are linked to Nicotine effects)….Hope this all will be informative and helpful to all….

…I’m dealing with roughly 250 patients with these devices and 340 patients without the device but on pharmacotherapy medication and large number of smokers (unconverted)..need these 3 groups to do a comparison study on effectiveness of either methods/traditional smokers….

Yes, I’m actually running these trials on my own because some of my fellow doctors are either skeptical or just plain ignorant..(maybe some are afraid even?)….Thank god at least my patients are willing to cooperate with these trial…Still a long way to go…

I am also servicing my trial patients devices to make sure it runs smoothly and teaching them the maintenance part (which takes a lot of work and education)…Developed several types of Cleaning Solutions for them just in case the device gets clogged up or malfunction..Somehow these liquids able to ‘reset’ the devices…very reassuring for my patients to have these liquids around so they use the devices without fear and assurance..If these devices fails to function, it will draw frustration and loss of confidence on my trial patients….therefore very important to teach our patients about the ‘break-in period’ once they first start to use the devices…a lot of patience needed there…I’m on call 24 hours daily to handle these irregularities just in case it happens….it is tough and tiring but in the end it is also very rewarding if I able to ’save’ my smoker patients from myriad of diseases caused by traditional cigarette…Will be posting more results as time passes…This trial will run for at least 6 months or even longer if my MOH requires..Gotta have solid proof (pros and cons) before I face them..

Hope when the time comes to face the jury,I will have enough backing from my fellow skeptics doctors and with my collective data (precious!!) to battle them….The Giant Pharmaceutical Companies and The Big Tobacco company awaits but I do not tremble at their feet or fear them but rejoiced in a renewed Battle….

Thanks to all who read this thread..I will do my very best to help as much as I could…God speed…..

Right now while I’m typing these down, I’m in a discussion with a Government representive ( a fellow politician) to meet the Minister of Health.Wish me luck….

Mammoth task or not..I chose to challenge it…becuz I’m sick of losing patients and friends to smoking related diseases….been looking for a cure..even tried traditional medicine..that was 3 years ago…failed that was…makes me even more hungrier to search for a cure..dreamt of this devices years ago but did not have the capabilities to make it..glad someone else made it….now is the time to try again…

My trial started on 2nd February 2008…the first user was me…I knew it will work somehow becuz I dreamt of this device long ago and now it has become a reality…..I have so far ‘Dissected’ 3 of my own devices to see the ‘anatomy’ of this woderful but yet simple creation…I found its weakness and its failing..dreamt of further improvement…I even welded a hypodermic needle onto the steel wool area in hope to draw more fluid to the main core but it created other host of problems(the needle breaks too easily upon inserting the cartridge…change the white wool to high absorbent sponge..(burnt badly and damage my 4th Atomiser and I got bad cough for 3 to 4 days)…Now in the process a marine algae to produce a low heat residue/easy to melt and incorporated with E-liquids purchased from this site…so far alot of gooey mess at my workstation(wife gets pretty mad at the mess I made but thank god she understands).

I have spent days and nights trying differrent formulations and lots of money (been bashing my credit cards so much until my banks called me up wondering I need extra spending limit!!)….

Anyway…The good news today is the Airline representative has shown interest and wanted a full demo…I’m gonna gather at least 20 or more E-smokers to cram into a cabin simulation to show them it will be safe to smoke in the airplane….and hopefully they will allow the sales of this e-cigs/products to fellow smokers on long haul(hope this will encourage and promote e-smoking further….)

The second good news is most likely the media here in Malaysia will allow us to advertise in newspaper and they wanted an interview soon (If that happens, I will definitely put a link here in these threads…Hope it will be soon)

Now for the Bad news…they (the MOH) wants a longer duration of this trial and our government at this moment(post election) is still in a mess…they lost a lot of seats in the Parliment to the opposition recently (first time in Malaysian History)…They are too busy but I feel I should take advantage now since they’ll do anything to win back the confidence of our people… Hope I’m right on that account….

Whoa!..It’s been a long day…thanks for reading and hope for the best tomorrow…

Do you realize that most atomisers have their own ‘character’?…some are quirky and some are cooperative..and some just refuse to mature?…well, I am dealing with all this atomisers daily…testing out almost close to 20 atomisers a day…I developed a tube pipe to test these individual pipes..simple construction for diagnostic troubleshooting as well as for repairing malfunction units…I even made one tubing for Bikers (to smoke during their long rides inside their helmets..haha..my biker friends loved it..handy for long distance rides but dried up their mouth pretty fast too so now searching for 2 way valve to connect it to a water bottle too!)..still in experimental stage

I’m having my dentist friends involved also because they will assist me for dental effects recording (to see whether rate of Tartar buildup will be slowed by our new e-smoking method)..that means less dental problems for E-smokers..

There’s a lot of work to be done and very promising things are in store…Almost all systems in our body affected by smoking is being countered by this new method..It will no doubt change a lot of things.

Those willing to convert to E-cigarrette is no doubt a person/individual cared for his/her health and surrounding environment..Who says smokers are selfish and self-centred lot!!!..I’m going all out to prove that we (smokers) are also a responsible people who wants to make a change for the better not for ourselves but for all that around us.

Happy to report a 8% increase in success rate for smokers to cease smoking traditional cigarettes…that means 98% success …VERY HIGH RATE…I’m very pleased…usually effectiveness begins by Day 2 of continual usage of the e-cig…..A 30 cigs per day smoker can stop smoking to 0 cigs in less than a week!!……

Overall Blood pressure of non-hypertensive smokers were better and much reduced heart rate to normal baseline of 70 bpm…..For Hypertensive patients on the device noted decreased pulse rate as well far happier outcome with significant amount of reduction in complications arising from reduce pollutants..i.e., less snoring , less or total absence of coughing bout with or without phlegm….,less stressful feeling and also increase in sense of well being(able to exercise more without shortness of breath)…and most important..NO INCREASE IN WEIGHT!!! in fact patient reported better weight control than those using pharmacotherapy…

I got lots of good results compared to the other two groups until my patients from the other two groups are asking for a change to the devices which at the current moment out of stock (awaiting shipment from NJOY).

This is one of the most successful trials ever conducted so far…The potential of this method is far untapped!….

My big stumbling block now will be the disclaimer found at the manual book or at NJOY website.."THIS IS NOT A CEASEATION THERAPY"..but it clearly shows that it can do that…..I am hoping to change that once my full trial presented to health ministries and hopefully the world take note of this…..Pray for my trial success and any help or suggestion will be truly appreciated…..

Someone has remove swami and dnakr post about the reliability of Njoy devices…To be fair to this company hosting this site, Not all Atomisers are built to last…Out of 20 Njoy devices, there will be almost 5 devices with Atomisers defect as well as Battery/Charger problems too…I serviced personally closed to 200 devices of Njoy brand for the last month with problems…yes Njoy is reliable but also has its fair share of problems..that’s where I learnt of each atomiser characters and faults…my own 2 Njoy devices crashes on me too..that’s why I would like to collect more brand types and do an overall review for all (if my credit card permits me!! )..becuz reliability of each devices plays a big role in my clinical trial..If it fails to perform then my patient will lose confidence and restart back smoking real cigarettes..

The e-cig .com products has it value for it’s money…take good care of the devices they will serve you well..irrespective of the brand…Remember, all this is still in it’s infancy stage..and we are the pioneers users…Be proud of that and be grateful for its technological worth…

rcbowden
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jimldk: I hope you videotaped the 20 e-smokers on the airplane. That should be posted on YouTube for the rest of the world to see. Most people I meet with my e-cigar have never even heard of such a device. We need to use media like YouTube to spread the word on a new, non-tobacco smoke product that is safe for use in "no smoking" areas.

Love your posts and the work you’re doing. You are indeed pioneering. Please do keep posting what you try — successes and failures. We can all learn and benefit.
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Hope they allow me to videotaped the events when the time come…shall ask for permission by Monday….Heard it will be a full cabin simulation with the extra’passengers’ and with trainee steward and stewardess…..

Thanks for your encouraging words..hope it will benefit all of you (and the world too?)..How’s your cough,Tropical Bob??…read your post at the other forum…sounds pretty nasty and might related to the ‘Propylene Glycol’ content…In my trials there was a few early on coughing bouts but it becomes less as I taught my smokers to ’sip’ mild green tea/ or suck on dried salted plums(to increase saliva production in the mouth)..it helps to reduced mild allergic response to inhaled propylene glycol….Hope it helps..if your cough persists please do see a doctor, you might be getting Bronchitis…take care bud…pm me if you need help…|||A heartfelt thanks to the good doctor who had the foresight to recognize the possible health advantages, and the courage of his convictions to establish the clinical trials. And thanks to you, Tropical Bob, for bringing this to the forum.

wb||| |||I also ride and would love to try this tubing.

Rachel|||I would love to know what kind of refill liquids he has developed, and if that is something we could do ourselves.
He also mentions a cleaning liquid for use when the atomizer stops working.

|||This doctor is definitely someone I’d enjoy meeting and working with. Here are the most recent posts, beginning with one I made to him:

Could you write a bit more about:

1. New ways to improve atomzing?

2. The new flavors you created and how you added flavoring (I’ve added pure vanilla extract — flavor and alcohol only — and improved the taste for me)?
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jimldk

Joined: 07 Mar 2008
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Location: Malaysia
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Atomisers requires gentle handling when first started…I had lots of problem when handling it for the first time…All atomisers are built unequal, means some are shallower and some are sharper tip….means the gap between the steel wool and the cartridge end (like spark plug gap)…that will also influence the amount of air interacting with the liquid burning process..that’s why some atomiser when being used feels empty(like sucking in air only, i.e, less vapor..less volume)….that’s why Dry smoking/Drip method gives better results….So what I did was adding more contact space (narrowing the gap) without causing burns by welding/soldiering onto the steel wool an additional ’steel wool’ looks like a small bump on the tip (wish I can draw it out). It gives better burnt rate…and lots more vapor..that’s one method…the other method is still in testing mode..that involves a needle..will let you know later on if it works..

I also developed a special cleaning solutions to ‘wash out’ the atomiser every 2 days or so…it helps to mature the atomiser better..so far all my patients are using this solution (which I named CS-2) are having good results ..sustained and productive Atomisers compared with those not using it….

I also developed a plastic tubing with a mouth piece attached at one end and a connector to the atomiser for proper dry smoking method..easy to built..A clear plastic tube (like those used in the aquarium tube) but much bigger with a diameter of 1cm and length of 25 cm….wrapped some cellophane tape to fit into the atomiser at least 0.5 cm depth and sucked it out..you’ll like it..like a small electronic hookah pipe…works very well…been making this for a lot of my patients. The amount of vapors tends to be more and denser….

The Flavors I created is mainly from fruits Esther those with higher sugar content like banana..need not ferment but need it to be very ripe..I chose Cavendish due to its better aroma…I mashed up almost a full kilo to get a little bit of final product..then wrapped the mushed up banana pulp in a 5 layered muslin cloth and steam it to drip down onto a funnel like collector bowl(like those used in the lab)….later distilled it over small light fire to produce the Banana essence(the whole house will be filled with this smell)it is a long process but worth it…collected almost 6 ml of pure banana essence and mixed it with regular E-liquid (independent of strength and don’t use tasteless) with a ratio of 1:5 or 1:3 depending on the amount of aroma you want…..

Today I experimented with Black Roasted Coffee..the aroma is very heady so far but I can’t get rid of the Black coloring (still working on it..any clues? anyone?)

I will try to avoid the alcohol part by reheating the final product to deactivate the alcohol..believe it will cause some irritation to users….

Hope it helps…lots more to discover…cheers….|||The latest exchange with Malaysian doctor.

Fantastic work! I’m reposting much of what you write to http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com, where I contribute regularly.

Is there a formula we could use to create a solution for cleaning the atomizer?
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jimldk

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Thanks for the response..was very kind of you and dnakr to update the other forum..very grateful for that ..Hope it will benefit / help you all…I’m trying hard to make this work and in the right direction and I still need clues and help from all of you irrespective whether small or big ideas…

As for the Cleaning Solution..the idea was actually started when I realised empty cartridge wasn’t really empty at all (should not waste it, recycle was in mind )…the time I did not have any E-liquid to deal with…you might laugh at this but it actually work after I modified it further…..

Don’t throw away your empty cartridge wool….it was a greasy kind of feel to it once it is nearly empty…take it out and put it into a empty 5 ml eyedropper bottle…add in 3ml of Normal saline and 1 ml of E-liquid(preferably regular flavor)….capped it with the eyedropper tip and shake it well(before each use)…you should get a light straw colored liquid with the wool acting as a ’stabiliser’..

The logic was to drop it into the atomiser(2-3drops)..dry smoking style… if the vapor production gets much less…let it soak for at least a full minute and then slowly and gently draw it (suck onto the atomiser without cartridge and mouthpiece) out..you’ll feel the steam evaporate first and then the vapor will begins… Steam will automatically trigger the cleaning process…..keep on drawing on it till you’ll feel a different kind of taste and vapor gets much less..then use a full new cartridge or drip smoke it(if you want)..you’ll see a much increase in vapor and volume as well..repeat the cleaning process 2 to 3 days later or when vapor becomes much less….You can also add 2-3 drops directly onto a half empty cartridge..it will also function somewhat the same….but that will dilute your nicotine density but I found after doing that I felt rather ‘full’ and ’satisfied’…funny feeling but does not seems to show any side effects so far and it also reduced your ’smoking’ time after that…less likely to pick up the atomiser after cleaning was done…weird but good…Try it out guys..hope you all will like it.

I was supposed to patent this but I feel it is not right to hoard this to myself..give back to the world and share as much as I can….Good luck on trying it out…Oh ,another thing …the CS(cleaning Solution) does help you to change flavors easily too…. Cheers.And then there’s this. I had to read it twice to get the idea, but now I see how the needle conducts liquid directly to atomizer. Most ingenious.

I called this the Needle Project …

You’ll need a new disposable hypodermic needle size of 25G x 5/8-0.5×16mm(means: 25 gauge and 5/8-0.5×16mm length)..should be brown/orange plastic connector….cut the plastic connector to 1/3rd with the needle intact….stick into a cartridge wool (full/half filled with liquid..mine works with Njoy..might work with other brands) in the centre and push all the way in till the needle stop..don’t puncture the cartridge..you’ll notice the wool will be pushed back and liquid will fill up but don’t worry if it also fill the cut end of the needle..you can top up later with e-liquids..now reinsert the cartridge with the modified needle into your atomiser..don’t worry, it won’t be burnt…start smoking…you’ll feel a sudden change in the flow of vapor..cooler to the tip of the tongue and far more dense….please try…you’ll like it…250 patients of mine love it..far superior but it can consume a bit more liquid..it is like dry smoking but with the cartridge inserted and if the ‘fuel’ gets low..jerk it like a pen running out of ink..you’ll get a instant refill automatically….I find it far better in burning up th e-liquid and producing better vapor….

Second tip…keep your container cap(mine is the Njoy type) and cap it over your mouthpiece tip when you are not using the device …use it like a pen cap (same principle to prevent your pen/marker from drying up)and you’ll be conserving moisture within the atomiser(save losses of liquids through the mouthpiece)..you’ll be surprised it actually help in producing your first billow of vapor….

More tips to come..as fast as I can discover it….Let me know if you have any problems…cheers….From Doc. Jim.Loi., Malaysia. As you see fit, for all of our benefit, it would be nice if you could keep us updated on what you learn about (1) do-it-yourself liquid or liquid modification, and (2) hardware issues you encountered and how you dealt with them. You have been THE pioneer out there and we would appreciate your continued counsel.

If a government won’t listen to you, well .. we will!Dr. Loi: I saw that Heritage Vegetable Glycerine is sold on Amazon, so it could be ordered online. And my thinking right now is that the liquor additive is helping clean the atomizer, so I will continue using it until somebody tells me I’m ruining (1) lungs, (2) atomizer. I just add Kahlua liquor until the viscosity is what I need for vaporizing the same as with e-liquid.

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weird I recently noticed acne suddenly appear since I e smoke

of cos occasionally real smoking

before e smoke my acne problem is under control face is arite

but recenlty noticed begin to e smoke my face seem got acne come out

maybe I not suitable to e smoke?

next I constantly puffing e smoke also that why too much vapour touch my face cause it??|||E-smoking does not cause acne….it is your own skin causing acne eruptions…stress and loss of sleep can also leads to acne….eating a lot of spicy and oily food also causes acne and for some it is even genetically linked…so acne is multifactorial..definitely not from e-smoking….|||It’s forum acne, Fishy. Thread based on how many you start in a week.

10 - light itchiness, irritability

20 - sweating, rash breaks out

30 - your head falls off

Careful now…|||im betting devilfish will overtake Bob in another week or so…|||Lol Fish- you worry too much- no offense- I think it is hte worrying that is causing the acne outbreak. We only live once, E-Ciggs are great- ride hard drive fast, and go out with a smile and knowing you did what you pleased||| You are so right. First black lips, now acne. High prices for worrying.

Yep, he’s on track to pass me!|||Has anyone thought that Fish might be totally allergic to PG but he’s trying so hard to make e-smoking work he hasn’t noticed?||| just curious sorry all dudes in here

the more I ask the more I know well ||| |||Don’t be sorry Fishy, you’re a legend…I was only joking Fish, I don’t really think you are allergic. I read it. Thing is, I never liked menthol much! I’ve heard of those crystals being used by snuff sniffers to strengthen the hit of menthol in the nose. The tobacco absorbs the menthol somehow.

I’ll have to check my pharmacy to see if they stock these.

As I write this, I’m watching homebrew liquid filter through a medium fine paper lab filter. Slooooow. It will take all night to filter one funnel of brewed liquid. And it sure doesn’t come out as clear as I thought it would. Still dark brown (but smells great).

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Has anyone with emphysema tried "e-smoking" that anyone has heard of?

My Uncle cannot quit smoking yet his lungs are down to 40%. No wonder drugs, support groups or miracle cures can make him stop. 40 plus years of smoking gets ya in the end.|||If I remember correctly I think at least one member on here has asthma. Do a search on asthma or emphysema. It certainly seems like e-smoking might be worth a shot to maybe give his lungs a break. At the point he’s at I personally don’t see how it could possibly do more harm than continuing to smoke and it might possibly help. But I’m no doctor so see if he’s interested and ask his doctor if it’s worth a try. If he does try it let us know the results.

My father-in-law (now deceased) smoked for 71 years and died at the age of 87. He had no noticeable symptoms of emphysema or laryngeal cancer until the last year of his life. He was also a heavy drinker, ate horribly and never exercised. 71 years of smoking got him but he didn’t suffer nearly as bad as some people I knew who didn’t smoke. I thinks it’s all a genetic crap-shoot. We should all hope we got good genes. |||ok.well i have asthma,and since i stopped smoking and started to exclusively e-smoke,my lung capacity has certainly improved.my chest feels clearer and i dont get out of breath as easily.

i do still have to use my inhaler,but not as often as before.

anythings worth a try when someones in that condition.|||Well, I have been smoking for about 45 years now. I use an albuterol nebulizer almost daily. I "smoked" about 25 cigarettes a day. I could not climb up 1 flite of stairs without hyperventolating. I have not been diagnosed with emphysema, but fairly sure the possibility is there. I also have asthma. My wife does have emphysema.

I have been using e cig for just about 1 month now. I still use the albuterol nebulizer frequently, but now just to help expel garbage from my lungs. I still smoke about 5 cigarettes a day and hope to reduce that to 0. I can climb a flite of stairs and just be a little out of breath now (300 lbs is still a load to carry). My breathing is much better now & my wife who hasn’t smoked for over 3 years now is even breathing better with out all my 2nd hand smoke in the house.

I don’t expect my lungs to become perfect, but they do seem to be getting a little better. The diet smoke does cause occasional throat irritation, especially in the morning. I think it’s a little like that first shot of tequilla the 2nd & 3rd always seem a little smoother.:o

This is only speaking for my experience. Others may have entirely different experiences.|||This is the kind of feed back I’m looking for Gunny.. thank you and all that have pitched in. I can’t wait to get one of these in the hand of my Uncle and hope he takes to it.|||BTW Mavkain when I said "I still use the albuterol nebulizer frequently, but now just to help expel garbage from my lungs." I believe this to be residual gunk from cigarette smoking being purged from my lungs now that there is 80% less tar, carbon monoxide, etc. permeating my lungs.

Hope this helps. Personally I would (and do) recommend this method of nicotine to anybody that smokes to improve their health and extend their life, no matter what their current health or age is.|||This is an interesting topic. What do the doctors here say about this? Should e-cig use instead of cigarette use, IN THEORY, be helpful?|||I was wondering about this too. I really want to get an e-cig for my grandma. She just got out of the hospital with pneumonia. She’s had two heart attacks, and smokes 4 packs of Carlton (very very very light cigarettes) a day. She has COPD and the other stuff that comes with smoking. She NEEDS to stop. She’s chain smokes like crazy, and puts her cigarettes out before they’re done, so I think the mental addiction is very strong, and the physical part might be a little easier to drop.

I’m thinking e-cigarettes would help her a lot with low nic cartridges. Especially since she can sit and suck on the thing as much as she smokes normal cigs. Even if she cuts her real smoking in half it would be great. The only problem is she wouldn’t be able to deal with any malfunctions. Plus I would have to service/fix/send in anything that breaks and I only see her once a week or less.

I’m going to let her try my penstyle from Mel next time I see her and see how she likes it.

Maybe an N-Joy with some extra atomizers would work? They’re in AZ as well and shipping would be fast. Cartridges are too expensive though and she won’t be able to drip.

Or maybe one of Mel’s with an extra atomizer when/if he starts selling them?

Anyone have any ideas?||| |||Mr.Darcy

I posted this in tips & tricks and it will help those with pen style if they are willing to go to the trouble.

More smoke!
OK… I’ve just successfully attempted to create a better hit from my pen style cig. Slight bit of a hassle, but IMHO well worth it.

The hole in the cartridge is just to small to accommodate a good hit for me. Occasionally I would remove the cartridge and just draw with an open atomizer. WOW! Smoke!

Well to get to the point, I used a dremel with a 1/8 inch bit to open the cartridge tip effectively doubling the size of the hole. Now I get smoke!

Important! Drill slowly and perhaps use 2 bits. 1st 3/32 then 1/8, as the tip will want to spin with the bit if you try to do this too fast. It is very messy and potentially dangerous to your fingers when this happens.

ATTEMPT THIS MODIFICATION AT YOUR OWN RISK.i have asthma, noticed improvements just 2 days after smoking e-cigs, i always used to wake up wheazy and need a good cough and a couple of inhaler puffs before i felt better… now I’m fine, for the past 2 weeks using this e-cig i’ve had no wheazy spells, not even while exercising

I’m still worried about using e-cigs, i don’t know what i’m inhaling (nylon fumes or w/e) along with the pg and nicotine and whether any of those are carcinogenic in the long run but my guess is surely it has to be better than smoking 20 m-reds a day ;/Gunny- please watch out for colloidal silver- it will turn you blue- literally- they hsowed a fella on T.V o nthe news that took it and he is now permanently blue skinned- honest- it was really wierd lookign at that- I took colloidal for awhile back a spell, but since have stopped because of that- this is not a joke- here’s a link showing one person http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22536241/ do google search for ‘colloidal silver turns you blue’

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i have become sort of worried as of late as to the content of the e-liquid i consume. im worried that they might be flavoured with oils..this is a big no, no right? also i know one seller who quoted me that the nicotene in our carts is extracted as an essential oil from the tobacco plant. is this true or s it mis-information? are essential oils different to normal oils? how are the carts injected with nicotene? is essential oil nicotene the same as pure nicotene, the type that kills you if you have one drop on your skin?

i guess a simple test would be to drop some on a tissue or kitchen towel and see if it all evaporates. anyone know any others?

also, i remember i saw some 0 nic carts being sold as health carts that contained vitamins. one of them was vitamin E. i think i remember someone on a thread saying this was dangerous as all vitamin E is an oil….is this true?|||I’m not sure, but maybe squeeze a bit into some water and see if a slick is created o nthe surface- if so, you have an oil in the juice- but really, I’m sure we’re breathign in oils just walking around in cities (and perhaps even the country when ‘toxic clouds’ float overhead- I’m also pretty sure we’re breathign in oils when we smoke regular ciggs- not sure, but it seems there would be oils in tobacco itself. Could be wrong on that though

Personally I’d stay away from as much oils as possible- I have sleep apnea and had to wear a CPAP mask (but can’t now) and read abotu soem people adding essential oils to their machines- Ugggh- no thanks- not for me! I’m a smoker and esmoker, and that is abotu as much risk as I’m intentionally willing to take as far as inhaling crud goes. We just gotta make our minds up how much we’re willing to inhale and make hte decision and stick with it or either that or quit altogether- As far as I’mn concerned, life is long enough already- I don’t care to extend it any logner by moving toward ‘healthy living’- but my case is unusual as I have soem ilnesses that make life yucky, and I don’t want ot go any longer than necessary to be honest as things are only goign to get worse the longer I go. OK enough with hte gloom and doom- New topic |||so naz, you dont think coating your lungs with oils is a big deal anyway? i thought it would be dangerous as the oils cant break down? but you know people who inhale essential oils all night long. are oils and essential oils the same thing?|||I’m not sure if htey are the same- I think all oils are hte same, but some are labelled ‘essential’ because they infer some supposed health benifit- I could be wrong again, and don’t know if ‘essentials’ mean they are also extracted differently, or have different chemical make-ups or what- but I wouldn’t inhale essentials in the CPAP machine even htough it might not do anythign- but when it coems to smoking- I don’t think about it and don’t care myself. What is is and that is that as far as Im’ concerned when it comes to gettign my nicotine fix, but again, I have a different outlook on life than some. I veiw the eciggs as containing 4000 less chemicals, and think that’s a very good thing, and if they still contain some potentially harmful stuff, it’s certainly much much less than real smoking, and that’s ok with me too. just an added extra bonus for switching- I’d probably still smoke the eciggs even if they had 2000 chemicals as opposed to the 4000 of real ciggs as any reduction in chemicals I view as a good hting.

I’ve been loading up my lungs with crap for a few decades now, so reducing the crap by a magnitude of a Bazillion is a good thing in my book. If it still contains some icky stuff- oh well- Color me unconcerned. (Not that I’m uninterested, but just not concerned as I’ve never been one to seek ‘good health’ due to what I’m facing- if I can ‘improve’ things- then ok- I spose I’ll go along with it, but if not, that’s ok too- I’m still gonna smoke regardless.)|||My understanding is that there already is oil/flavours extracted with oil in ready made eliquid. This is ecig.com’s list of ingredients - https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopconte…certifications. They are the only company I have seen so far who are open and upfront about the ingredients in their liquid.

My impression is that there is going to be a small amount of oil in some flavours but the quantity doesn’t warrant any concern if it’s just used to extract the flavour. As long as the ingredients are food grade they shouldn’t be too difficult for our bodies to ‘digest’. The thing to be careful of is using large quantities of oil which would clog atomisers and are an unknown healthwise. Flavourings are extracts and propylene glycol or alcohol etc. The quantity of oil left from the extraction process is small. If you were to use essential oils then it would be a different ball game, much higher concentrations of oil being vapourised and inhaled.|||DC, remember that our forefathers studied in the light of oil lamps. My bet is that the air in their rooms had more oil in it than is in the vapor we inhale. And, yes, tobacco absolute is used in e-liquid — and it’s an oil, the essence of tobacco. Very little is needed, however. In general, avoid products with any oil base. But a tiny bit? Like Naz said, the air on the sidewalks of any city has a higher oil content.|||well thanks for the imput guys. so i guess i am worried over little. inhaling oil based liquids is common enough to be not of concern. still though, can our lungs break down oil at all. is it ever removed from the lungs some way. i would hate to think that i am clogging up my lungs, just as im clogging up the atomizers…cant soak them in vinegar.

but like you say, im inhaling oil everyday just by pissing around on my 2 stroke 50cc. my city is filthy too. i have been meaning to purchase a gas mask for a while now. a recent study in my country also found that those living in the big cities had the lower life expectancy and an increased percentage of death by lung cancer. so when are they banning motorized vehicles?|||you shouldn’t worry about the essential oils in the way you worry now (some of them are really dangerous, but not because they are oils )

Most of the aromas you inhale in any brand of cart are made with/from essential oils. Even the tobacco aroma is practically an essential oil.

The oils we must avoid are the oils used in commercial flavorings to dilute the essential oils or the aroma esters.

The confusion comes form the fact that ‘oil’ is a pretty generic term and because when you hear ‘oil’ you think it must be like the vegetable oil you use to cook.

An essential oil is much too concentrated to use in normal consumer flavoring - you’ll need, let’s say - 0.001 ml of rose oil to obtain 1 l of rose vodka Since this kind of quantities are hard to measure in a kitchen, and for price considerations (3kg rose petals yields only 1ml rose oil), solvents are used to dilute them.

depending on the specific proprieties of the essential oil (in what is soluble) they use as solvents water, alcohol, propylene glycol or oils (vegetable or nut oils - like Jojoba, Coconut, High-oleic Safflower, Olive oil, Sunflower oil, Almond oil, Avocado oil, Shea Butter, Cocoa Butter or Seaweed extracts).

So, you should use for vaping just those flavors diluted with anything else than oils. You can use essential oils but be prepared to measure very small quantities (see an example in jgtg’s reply in DIY tobacco& nicotine flavor… without tobacco)

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…to scare the crap outta ya.

Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives

||| so far I only happen to see ludo supplier of janty got show the offical test lab cert in here I don;t know which thread I happen to see

than about the others I don;t seem they got stated the cert.

that why I feel worry while puffing carts from china .|||I’d read this article before. It’s not alarmist, but falls into that fringe category of "should I act on this information?" It’s like a court trial where one side says this and has expert witnesses, then the other side counters with its expert witnesses. The result is confusion. Where lies truth?

When I first looked at propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, I found that PG broke down to lactic acid in the body. Now, exercised muscles produce the same substance, and the body has a system to dispose of that lactic acid. Unless overloaded. And that’s a question for researchers: Are e-smokers overloading the body with lactic acid and thus inviting lactic acidosis or worse? Frankly, I doubt it and will await proof that our vapor’s PG content is hazardous in any way.

There is, of course, the VG alternative. It breaks down to glucose, which the body easily handles. In fact, if you’re brought to an emergency room, you might find yourself hooked up to IVs of salt and sugar (saline and glucose drips). Note what this report said about VG:

"Glycerol, a byproduct of bio-diesel production, serves as a humectant, a solvent, a filler in commercially prepared low-fat baked goods, a thickening agent in liqueurs, and it may help preserve foods. As a sweetener, it has approximately 27 calories per teaspoon and is 60% as sweet as sucrose, but does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities. The EWG rated it as a two, a very low hazard."

With this environmental group, a rating of two is extremely safe (they put PG at 4).

In all my reading on these substances, I can’t find a reason to be alarmed over either. Especially when we suck nicotine into our lungs, knowing many of its negative consequences for the heart and circulatory system.

I hope Dr. Laugesen’s clinical trial in New Zealand answers these concerns once and for all. His preliminary reports dismissed ANY danger from PG. Who can argue with that?|||TB when does Dr. Laugesen’s clinical trial in New Zealand finish ?|||The end of this year is the target. So we’re in the home stretch.

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Sorta noob questions here:

1.Since the main hazardous substance in e-cigs as well as regular cigs (besides tobacco in regular ones) is nicotine, what happens when you suck the vapor into your mouth and taste the flavor, but only blow it back out and never inhale it into your lungs? Does the nicotine still go into your bloodstream through your mouth/tongue somehow since you still feel that burning on your tongue? Or does this really only happen when you fully inhale into your lungs before blowing out again? How bad is this?

Is there even anything hazardous to your health at all by just sucking the e-cig vapor into your mouth and blowing out and not actually inhaling? Also, how do the answers to these questions differ (if at all) with different strength liquids?

Just trying to get a health effect gauge for a person who might e-smoke but not inhale every time (and that does NOT refer to me..lol). It was sort of a discussion among me and some roommates earlier.

2. Also, how true/possible is the speed-up of existing cancerous cells caused by nicotine as seen in this article?:
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/200…ds-lung-cancer
I know e-cigs are supposed to be less dangerous, but things like that still worry me very much.

3. Finally, are e-cigarettes supposed to affect your throat the way regular cigs do? Like sore throat/painful throat after smoking a bunch of times? Does it affect your teeth?

Thanks!|||good questions…I am looking forward for the educated to answer.|||Thanks, me too. I mean I know some partial answers. Like yes,